chiefdave
Well-Known Member
I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?
I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?However, is there anything there to prove the officer was motivated in his actions by race.
I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?
I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?
There is a solution for all this. Massive recruitment drive of black people into the police and black people can only be arrested by black officers
But bring that in a women will say they should only be arrested by women. Asians should only be arrested by Asians. Trans can only be arrested by trans, muslims by muslims etc. Unworkable.
If you don't identify as anything does that mean you can never be arrested?But bring that in a women will say they should only be arrested by women. Asians should only be arrested by Asians. Trans can only be arrested by trans, muslims by muslims etc. Unworkable.
As far as arresting someone is concerned ? You tell me.I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?
So your conclusion is he was arrested because of the colour of his skin then. That makes sense.The man hasn't been charged with carrying an illegal weapon and his lawyer says he was legally carrying a tool to fix his bike.
So your conclusion is he was arrested because of the colour of his skin then. That makes sense.
Is kneeling on his neck motivated by race or is it simply a very poor decision by the officer in question?I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?
I should cocoa .Reminds me of a story when graham Swann was arrested for drink driving - his hamster had got stuck under floorboards and he’d had to go in his car to get some tools to open the floorboards
Is David blacking up today?
Apparently they stopped and searched him after being called to the area for a crime that he wasn’t involved in. Why did they stop and search him if that’s the case?So your conclusion is he was arrested because of the colour of his skin then. That makes sense.
Apparently they stopped and searched him after being called to the area for a crime that he wasn’t involved in. Why did they stop and search him if that’s the case?
The man hasn't been charged with carrying an illegal weapon and his lawyer says he was legally carrying a tool to fix his bike.
Marcus Coutain, 45, (30.4.75) of Islington was charged on Friday, 17 July, with possession of a knife in a public place.
Man who has been to prison for violence, carrying a knife at the scene of a fight and was wanted to be recalled to prison. Also resisting arrest and has previous for carrying weapons. I am sure somebody capable of breaking a woman's eye socket can live with a knee on his head for a little bit.
Yeah it's fucking stupid to put his knee there, but again. If he wasn't wanted by the police, if he wasn't at the scene of a fight, if he wasn't resisting, if he wasn't carrying a knife then it probably wouldn't have happened at all. Was anybody filming what happened before it or has just the video of the police having him pinned down been released?
Would anybody have much sympathy if there was a Tommy Robinson type skinhead, woman beater with a knee on his head who was carrying a knife? I doubt it.
It is going to be worrying if people like that just get waved off because of their skin colour. Nowadays it will just be a case of make videos go viral and get an apology and let off. I don't envy the police, if there's a wanted, violent bloke known for carrying weapons resisting arrest do you struggle with him or just let him walk off to save the hassle?
I am sure DOD will blame his ex missus for headbutting his fists though. Imagine a world where the public would rather stand about and film / heckle the police struggling with a violent man carrying a knife rather than help them. It is scary.
Interesting he is shouting "Get off my neck" while he is kneeling on the side of his head though. The copper gets suspended for catching a wanted, violent man who was carrying a knife.
The man hasn't been charged with carrying an illegal weapon and his lawyer says he was legally carrying a tool to fix his bike.
But bring that in a women will say they should only be arrested by women. Asians should only be arrested by Asians. Trans can only be arrested by trans, muslims by muslims etc. Unworkable.
. I am sure somebody capable of breaking a woman's eye socket can live with a knee on his head for a little bit.
It's not a job I would do, I don't envy them one bit. Imagine living in a society where you condemn the police for coming down hard on violent criminals carrying weapons. It's actually embarrassing that the police are going on like this.
The video footage that I have seen today and is circulating on social media is extremely disturbing.
Some of the techniques used cause me great concern - they are not taught in police training.
Before we go too far along this path, let's see what the Deputy Met Police Commissioner said about it.
Given he has also seen the body cam footage, that isn't your normal bland holding statement.
So why didn’t they go straight to arrest instead of stop and searching him, discovering the weapon that led to his arrest. You seem to be suggesting that this stemmed from the police identifying him, clearly they hadn’t otherwise there wouldn’t have been a stop and searched. The identification clearly happened after the event. The question to ADM was originally why was he stopped and searched if the police had been called to a crime he wasn’t involved in? ADM was questioning whether he was arrested because of the colour of his skin, which he clearly wasn’t. My question was why was he stopped and searched in the first place?Man who has been to prison for violence, carrying a knife at the scene of a fight and was wanted to be recalled to prison. Also resisting arrest and has previous for carrying weapons. I am sure somebody capable of breaking a woman's eye socket can live with a knee on his head for a little bit.
Yeah it's fucking stupid to put his knee there, but again. If he wasn't wanted by the police, if he wasn't at the scene of a fight, if he wasn't resisting, if he wasn't carrying a knife then it probably wouldn't have happened at all. Was anybody filming what happened before it or has just the video of the police having him pinned down been released?
Would anybody have much sympathy if there was a Tommy Robinson type skinhead, woman beater with a knee on his head who was carrying a knife? I doubt it.
It is going to be worrying if people like that just get waved off because of their skin colour. Nowadays it will just be a case of make videos go viral and get an apology and let off. I don't envy the police, if there's a wanted, violent bloke known for carrying weapons resisting arrest do you struggle with him or just let him walk off to save the hassle?
I am sure DOD will blame his ex missus for headbutting his fists though. Imagine a world where the public would rather stand about and film / heckle the police struggling with a violent man carrying a knife rather than help them. It is scary.
Interesting he is shouting "Get off my neck" while he is kneeling on the side of his head though. The copper gets suspended for catching a wanted, violent man who was carrying a knife.
The first part of your reply seems pure luck. Are you suggesting that the guy was on his way somewhere to commit a murder?A wanted violent offender was taking off the streets. The police officer likely saved a young life that night and should be commended for his bravery in the face of such aggression.
The Deputy Met Police Commissioner says it's our of order how it was done.A wanted violent offender was taking off the streets. The police officer likely saved a young life that night and should be commended for his bravery in the face of such aggression.
The first part of your reply seems pure luck. Are you suggesting that the guy was on his way somewhere to commit a murder?
There’s not enough scrutiny on black on black violence. All focus seems to be when a white person gets involved.
I'm not suggesting he was on his way to commit a murder, What I am suggesting is that if he was involved in any agro that night then he was equipped to cause serious harm and likely death.
The Deputy Met Police Commissioner says it's our of order how it was done.
Personally, I'm glad our police leaders seem to have a grasp on things, and aren't psychotic nutters.
No, let's take the word of a random message board poster who hasn't seen the footage he has.With all due respect I don't think we should be taking the word of a commissioner who's over saw violent crime rapidly grow in his area.
I'd have thought the response from our lot is an excellent reassurance that we take things seriously.We have to have proper processes and accountability and that has to apply to everyone otherwise we end up like the States where the police are basically a militia with licence to do what the fuck they want.
No, let's take the word of a random message board poster who hasn't seen the footage he has.
With all due respect.
Still, it worked well in the US when the police tried to sweep things under the carpet.
There's a whole division of the Met dedicated to black inn black violence.
One doesn't justify the other.
He was carrying a knife.The first part of your reply seems pure luck. Are you suggesting that the guy was on his way somewhere to commit a murder?
It's almost as if the police have to apologise for everything now due to public pressure and people defend a proven scumbag carrying a knife just based on his skin colour.Before we go too far along this path, let's see what the Deputy Met Police Commissioner said about it.
Given he has also seen the body cam footage, that isn't your normal bland holding statement.
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