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rexo87

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  • Nov 18, 2021
  • #4,551
The Philosopher said:
Watched the match last night (tbh really enjoyed it) and was surprised at the relative quality in the non-league side. Definitely some players in there that could play L1.

Looking at the National league It’s surprising how many former league sides are in there and presumably operating a full time set up.
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The whole national league is full time now and many of them have far bigger budgets than league 2 clubs due to FFP. There is even five teams in Leamington's league (national league north) who are full time now
 

larry_david

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  • Nov 18, 2021
  • #4,552
Amazing watching the Notts County 3-0 Jones hatrick win back. Every goal they just sat off Jones and let him walk towards the goal. Jones the other day against Swansea had about 8 men on him before the ball had even got to him. The difference in quality is staggering.
 
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skybluegod

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  • Nov 18, 2021
  • #4,553
The Philosopher said:
Watched the match last night (tbh really enjoyed it) and was surprised at the relative quality in the non-league side. Definitely some players in there that could play L1.

Looking at the National league It’s surprising how many former league sides are in there and presumably operating a full time set up.
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Yeah there are some good players at that level for sure.

Only have to look at the promoted teams of the last few years to show the step up isn't huge.
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 18, 2021
  • #4,554
rexo87 said:
The whole national league is full time now and many of them have far bigger budgets than league 2 clubs due to FFP. There is even five teams in Leamington's league (national league north) who are full time now
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Thought provoking angle if being out of the EFL means clubs can spend more and attract better players.

Notts County got 12000 fans in the other day which is more than many L1/L2 clubs get.

And yes, as another poster pointed out, clubs that get promoted don’t seem to struggle. This suggests that the gap between NL & L2 is far smaller than Champ/Prem or L1/Champ.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 18, 2021
  • #4,555
There is definitely an argument for expanding L2/NL promotion/relegation to three places.

I also really like how the NL does it's playoff system. Teams down to 7th get a chance and 2nd and 3rd get an actual benefit of player fewer games.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 18, 2021
  • #4,556
Liquid Gold said:
There is definitely an argument for expanding L2/NL promotion/relegation to three places.

I also really like how the NL does it's playoff system. Teams down to 7th get a chance and 2nd and 3rd get an actual benefit of player fewer games.
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That might work.

Random thought: Bury. They were a L2 club who breached the FPP rules and have gone to dust. If they had been relegated, would they have been ok?

Fuzzy logic.
 

Frostie

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,557
Liquid Gold said:
There is definitely an argument for expanding L2/NL promotion/relegation to three places.

I also really like how the NL does it's playoff system. Teams down to 7th get a chance and 2nd and 3rd get an actual benefit of player fewer games.
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National League have been pushing for it for a while (and rightly so), problem is it needs the EFL clubs to agree & vote for it (turkeys voting for Christmas).

The top half of the National League is certainly stronger than the bottom half of League 2 now & I think I'm right in saying no club promoted from NL has been relegated from L2 the following season in over 20 years now.

The problem is, NL don't have any of the FFP/Profit & Sustainability rules that the EFL have so owners can bankroll clubs without fear of points deductions etc. As a result you end up with situations like Wrexham where they're taking players like Paul Mullin on bigger wages than he could get in both League One & even the Championship.
It's going to create massive problems sooner or later with more clubs going to the wall as they they throw around money they don't have to try & compete.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,558
Frostie said:
National League have been pushing for it for a while (and rightly so), problem is it needs the EFL clubs to agree & vote for it (turkeys voting for Christmas).

The top half of the National League is certainly stronger than the bottom half of League 2 now & I think I'm right in saying no club promoted from NL has been relegated from L2 the following season in over 20 years now.

The problem is, NL don't have any of the FFP/Profit & Sustainability rules that the EFL have so owners can bankroll clubs without fear of points deductions etc. As a result you end up with situations like Wrexham where they're taking players like Paul Mullin on bigger wages than he could get in both League One & even the Championship.
It's going to create massive problems sooner or later with more clubs going to the wall as they they throw around money they don't have to try & compete.
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Likewise it's very difficult to get back into the league immediately following relegation. I thought the standard of Stockport's play was easily up there with the L2 fare we saw.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,559
fernandopartridge said:
Likewise it's very difficult to get back into the league immediately following relegation. I thought the standard of Stockport's play was easily up there with the L2 fare we saw.
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I think Bristol Rovers may be the only team to have gone straight back up in 25 years or something
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,560
Liquid Gold said:
I think Bristol Rovers may be the only team to have gone straight back up in 25 years or something
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Bristol Rovers dropped out the league?! I’m sure I must’ve known this at some stage. I kinda follow their results a bit, as I went to a few of their games when they had cureton and Roberts…mate of mine dragged me to watch them when I lived in london. Saw them absolutely wallop Luton (0-5?)and Brentford (2-6?) and some one else I’m sure.
Anyway, i clearly don’t follow them as much as I thought!
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,561
Liquid Gold said:
There is definitely an argument for expanding L2/NL promotion/relegation to three places.

I also really like how the NL does it's playoff system. Teams down to 7th get a chance and 2nd and 3rd get an actual benefit of player fewer games.
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I'd just look to make it an official professional League 3 at this point.
I have major problems with English football at the top of the game but I can't think of another country where you could argue for a 5th professional league. I love our pyramid.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,562
Terry_dactyl said:
Bristol Rovers dropped out the league?! I’m sure I must’ve known this at some stage. I kinda follow their results a bit, as I went to a few of their games when they had cureton and Roberts…mate of mine dragged me to watch them when I lived in london. Saw them absolutely wallop Luton (0-5?)and Brentford (2-6?) and some one else I’m sure.
Anyway, i clearly don’t follow them as much as I thought!
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I think that was only a few years back, by the time we were in League 2 they've not long been back iirc.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,563
TomRad85 said:
I'd just look to make it an official professional League 3 at this point.
I have major problems with English football at the top of the game but I can't think of another country where you could argue for a 5th professional league. I love our pyramid.

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The thing is, there are teams in L2/Conference that could probably compete in the top two divisions in some of the Scandinavian countries.

Then look at Spain, Segunda is absolutely shite. The teams towards the bottom of that would genuinely struggle to beat the likes of Forest Green.

We have a lot of very competitive teams here. Always confused me why if you were a lower league player you wouldn´t go and play abroad somewhere. Chris McCann was a funny one if I remember. Shite for us in L1 and then went to Atlanta United, playing in front of 40,000 - 70,000 every week.
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,564
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The thing is, there are teams in L2/Conference that could probably compete in the top two divisions in some of the Scandinavian countries.

Then look at Spain, Segunda is absolutely shite. The teams towards the bottom of that would genuinely struggle to beat the likes of Forest Green.

We have a lot of very competitive teams here. Always confused me why if you were a lower league player you wouldn´t go and play abroad somewhere. Chris McCann was a funny one if I remember. Shite for us in L1 and then went to Atlanta United, playing in front of 40,000 - 70,000 every week.
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Birchall too.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,565
rob9872 said:
Birchall too.
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Just looked at his stats. Average of 17 games a season for 16 years.

Not a bad gig is it, although he was very injury prone if I remember.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,566
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The thing is, there are teams in L2/Conference that could probably compete in the top two divisions in some of the Scandinavian countries.

Then look at Spain, Segunda is absolutely shite. The teams towards the bottom of that would genuinely struggle to beat the likes of Forest Green.

We have a lot of very competitive teams here. Always confused me why if you were a lower league player you wouldn´t go and play abroad somewhere. Chris McCann was a funny one if I remember. Shite for us in L1 and then went to Atlanta United, playing in front of 40,000 - 70,000 every week.
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40-70k Americans though...

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,567
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The thing is, there are teams in L2/Conference that could probably compete in the top two divisions in some of the Scandinavian countries.

Then look at Spain, Segunda is absolutely shite. The teams towards the bottom of that would genuinely struggle to beat the likes of Forest Green.

We have a lot of very competitive teams here. Always confused me why if you were a lower league player you wouldn´t go and play abroad somewhere. Chris McCann was a funny one if I remember. Shite for us in L1 and then went to Atlanta United, playing in front of 40,000 - 70,000 every week.
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Watched a game in Chicago where Ivan Guerrero was far and away the best player on the pitch. Freddy Adu (remember him FM fans?) played as was totally anonymous.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,568
It's not always the most glamorous existence being an MLS player. Until recently they had a rule against teams chartering flights, so you'd have to travel cross-country to away games on some godforsaken commercial flight.

Plus, instead of the Mad Hatters you have this guy:
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,569
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Watched a game in Chicago where Ivan Guerrero was far and away the best player on the pitch. Freddy Adu (remember him FM fans?) played as was totally anonymous.
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Last seen in the Swedish third division, probably barely Leamington standard.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,570
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The thing is, there are teams in L2/Conference that could probably compete in the top two divisions in some of the Scandinavian countries.

Then look at Spain, Segunda is absolutely shite. The teams towards the bottom of that would genuinely struggle to beat the likes of Forest Green.

We have a lot of very competitive teams here. Always confused me why if you were a lower league player you wouldn´t go and play abroad somewhere. Chris McCann was a funny one if I remember. Shite for us in L1 and then went to Atlanta United, playing in front of 40,000 - 70,000 every week.
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McCann played the majority of his career in the Championship or above tbf. We'd got him as his career was on a downward trajectory (he wasn't that bad just not fit and probably not that bothered given his move to America)
 
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procdoc

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,571
I used to play against Stores a lot at 5 a side a few years ago. He’s a good lad to be fair. He went off the rails a bit in his early twenties but decided to fully focus on football and makes a living from it so fair play
 

Blind-Faith

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,572
Westwood apparently training with Crewe according to an article on bbc football.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 19, 2021
  • #4,573
SBT said:
It's not always the most glamorous existence being an MLS player. Until recently they had a rule against teams chartering flights, so you'd have to travel cross-country to away games on some godforsaken commercial flight.

Plus, instead of the Mad Hatters you have this guy:
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What a nutcase that bloke is and what a boring group of songs.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #4,574
Beuzalin leaves Hamilton
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #4,575
Nick said:
Beuzalin leaves Hamilton
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Didn’t realise he’d gone into theatre in the first place.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #4,576
Nick said:
Beuzalin leaves Hamilton
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Shame really, I thought they were a cute couple.

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wingy

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #4,577
TomRad85 said:
Shame really, I thought they were a cute couple.

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Over my head Lol.
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #4,578
Callum Wilson has scored for Albion Rovers.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 21, 2021
  • #4,579
Carl baker now assistant manager at telford
 
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higgs

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  • Nov 23, 2021
  • #4,580
Hope John Fleck has a speedy recovery

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CovBrummie94

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  • Nov 24, 2021
  • #4,581
Undr the Cosh released a podcast with Ben Turner that speaks a lot about Coventry. Definitely worth a listen.


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rexo87

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  • Nov 24, 2021
  • #4,582
CovBrummie94 said:
Undr the Cosh released a podcast with Ben Turner that speaks a lot about Coventry. Definitely worth a listen.


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He comes across brilliantly on there.


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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 24, 2021
  • #4,583
rexo87 said:
He comes across brilliantly on there.


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Yeah, he did another Cov podcast a while ago but the UTC was much better.
He does come across well. The stuff about McIndoe was interesting, likewise the story about when he signed his first pro contract. It really shows why Micky Adams isn't in the game any more. Fancy saying to a promising 18 year old struggling to afford his commute to training "Sign the contract or fuck off". Utter cretin.
 
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Frostie

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  • Nov 25, 2021
  • #4,584
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Nov 25, 2021
  • #4,585
Frostie said:
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Iain Dowie as assistant?

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