Do you want to discuss boring politics? (17 Viewers)

[Sbarcher]

I have a friend who is a tax accountant. He does not take on too many clients, but the ones he has are very high wealth individuals running successful businesses.
He told me before the budget that 3 of them had asked about tax implications of leaving the UK.
These individuals pay alot of personal and company tax as well as employing people who then pay tax and NI.

Now, 'm not judging, but would I move abroad to protect my wealth or stay and pay my whack to the country which has allowed me to flourish and grow?

Hard choice?

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Polanski massively out of his depth when questioned on fairly basic stuff

The guys a chancer but he’s got an almost cult like following

 

[chiefdave]

As with many things, I think the truth/the solution lies somewhere in the middle. No one wants to see genuinely incapacitated people struggling to make ends meet, but equally we don’t want people taking the piss. Means testing all benefits is an additional cost and would take a huge amount of time invested to understand someone’s personal circumstances, whether their incapacity prevents them from doing *any* work and whether it’s something that is permanent or temporary. I’d be in favour of the above personally but clearly there’s limitations, and I think Treasury brain thinking means they weigh up the cost of administering the means testing vs the cost of making it a blanket benefit, rather than thinking about the economic multiplier effect that comes about through work.

Equally, though, you’d then get the scare stories of a 60 year old with no legs having to go to a meeting to justify that they can’t work.

As said, I like MMB’s example of adjusting the PTA but wouldn’t want benefits removed altogether. Could you tier that so that, if you’re in work, you effectively get more of a benefit? I don’t know, and it is counterintuitive because someone with additional income shouldn’t get additional help (theoretically).

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

The reassessment of incapacity benefit claimants for employment and support allowance using the work capability assessment is linked to an additional 590 suicides in England, according to new research by academics from Oxford and Liverpool universities. It is also implicated in an additional 279,000 people developing mental health conditions and 725,000 more antidepressant prescriptions being issued.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

 

[Grendel]

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

You don’t even need a diagnosis for PIP

 

[SBAndy]

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

I know, and it’s kind of my reticence with it. But it needs solving somehow.

You don’t even need a diagnosis for PIP

Is it a bonkers idea for the NHS and DWP to share data to ensure they don’t put people through unnecessary stress? Referencing my (theoretical) idea of the 60 year old with no legs getting hauled to a meeting.

 

[Grendel]

I know, and it’s kind of my reticence with it. But it needs solving somehow.




Is it a bonkers idea for the NHS and DWP to share data to ensure they don’t put people through unnecessary stress? Referencing my (theoretical) idea of the 60 year old with no legs getting hauled to a meeting.

You can actually write a diary of your day to day activities and you can from that day your are anxious on buses and claim support for a private hire taxi to go to work - and it doesn’t matter how high your earnings are

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I have a friend who is a tax accountant. He does not take on too many clients, but the ones he has are very high wealth individuals running successful businesses.
He told me before the budget that 3 of them had asked about tax implications of leaving the UK.
These individuals pay alot of personal and company tax as well as employing people who then pay tax and NI.

Now, 'm not judging, but would I move abroad to protect my wealth or stay and pay my whack to the country which has allowed me to flourish and grow?

Hard choice?

No, dead easy.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don’t fancy being punished for being productive and paying more tax to pay for more welfare claimants.

Why do you and @SBT just not interact with the data? The number of people claiming benefits has increased at an unsustainable rate. Your base assumption that no one is choosing this lifestyle is naive.

Have either of you been around genuine poverty?


An increase of 43k is significant Dave. Particularly when they tend to be more economically productive.


You can’t be serious here…

No, I’m not in favour of subsidising unemployed families having larger families paid for by taxpayers. There’s a strong link to generational dependence on welfare.

Working families deserve all the support they need in raising children. Not being taxed to support the former group.

Lots of the welfare is paid to working families

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I still live on the estate that I grew up on (I'm 54) and it was originally part council part self owned. I know of at least 2 families who have never worked and that includes their now adult kids as well as other single adults who have no inclination to work.
I also have some distant relatives living in the city who have never worked and their kids are now in their 50's with families doing the same.
It is a cycle and it is a problem and has been for a very long time.

Can’t be fun or fulfilling can it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

The lack of access to real help is a massive issue

 

[Blind-Faith]

Trying to catch up with what’s been going on. So the OBR have told Rachel Thieves, there was no black hole in essence. The government were on target to not spend on day to day activities by £4.4 billion ( her headroom? ) , so that’s a slight positive

She then proceeded to whack up tax’s on working people anyway and basically tell fibs about the state the economy is in?

Do any of them, politicians that is, from any party , actually tell the truth?? Or even close to it??

I don’t trust any of them.

 

[LarryGrayson]

The guys a chancer but he’s got an almost cult like following

him and farrage two sides of same

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The guys a chancer but he’s got an almost cult like following

He’s being pushed by a lot of the organisations behind Momentum. When this guy makes contact with reality, it’ll hit v hard.

He and Eddie Dempsey will say ‘who elected the bond markets?’ Well, don’t lend from them.

Polanski struggles whenever he’s unable to repeat pre-rehearsed lines and he isn’t a good communicator imo.

Farage is a political street fighter and effective communicator*. He’s the single most impactful politician since the millennium and he’s never held office.

* this is something that even his political enemies would admit, I certainly did in my leftie days.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Zack's magic money tree philosophy.

He doesn't realise the politicians are the tail and the money men are the dog. The tail does not wag the dog.

But what do you do to a dog that keeps on biting it's owner?

 

[Grendel]

But what do you do to a dog that keeps on biting it's owner?

You keep focussing on Farage but the biggest grifter of the lot is Polanski

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You keep focussing on Farage but the biggest grifter of the lot is Polanski

I was talking about the money men.

 

[Grendel]

I was talking about the money men.

I suspect Polanski is a politician you’d find relatable

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I suspect Polanski is a politician you’d find relatable

In some areas, not in others. Pretty much like the Green Party itself.

 

[skybluetony176]

You keep focussing on Farage but the biggest grifter of the lot is Polanski

You genuinely think Polanski is a bigger grifter than this man…

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/nigel-farage-tricked-into-saying-another-ira-slogan-in-video-message-b2193839.html

… a man who will quite literally say anything for £100 regardless. Give your head a wobble.

 

[Grendel]

You genuinely think Polanski is a bigger grifter than this man…

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/nigel-farage-tricked-into-saying-another-ira-slogan-in-video-message-b2193839.html

… a man who will quite literally say anything for £100 regardless. Give your head a wobble.

Have you moved from voting Nigel to Zack Tonester?

 

[Mcbean]

Zara Sultana - wow is she real

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Zara Sultana - wow is she real

Unfortunately yes

 

[CCFCSteve]

You genuinely think Polanski is a bigger grifter than this man…

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/nigel-farage-tricked-into-saying-another-ira-slogan-in-video-message-b2193839.html

… a man who will quite literally say anything for £100 regardless. Give your head a wobble.

He was a hypnotherapist (I don’t think he charged for the boob enlargement session but that’s weird and makes you wonder what he has charged a lot of people, many of whom were probably desperate, for). He switched from Lib Dem’s to Greens when he wasn’t selected and he’s now just been telling people what they want to hear when it comes to the economy/countries finances without knowing what the fuck hes talking about - it takes 30 seconds to google how much annual interest we pay and what BoE owns in gilts and that video indicates he can’t even be bothered to do that even though he seems to believe in/push a totally different monetary theory ?!

If someone sounds like a grifter and comes across as a grifter….

As Larrygrayson said, him and farage are two sides of the same coin

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He was a hypnotherapist (I don’t think he charged for the boob enlargement session but that’s weird and makes you wonder what he has charged a lot of people, many of whom were probably desperate, for). He switched from Lib Dem’s to Greens when he wasn’t selected and he’s now just been telling people what they want to hear when it comes to the economy/countries finances without knowing what the fuck hes talking about - it takes 30 seconds to google how much annual interest we pay and what BoE owns in gilts and that video indicates he can’t even be bothered to do that even though he seems to believe in/push a totally different monetary theory ?!

If someone sounds like a grifter and comes across as a grifter….

As Larrygrayson said, him and farage are two sides of the same coin

Wasn’t the ‘boob enlargement’ thing about helping someone’s confidence about body image rather than literal breast enlargement?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Wasn’t the ‘boob enlargement’ thing about helping someone’s confidence about body image rather than literal breast enlargement?

Yeah, there’s mixed commentary on it which is why I mentioned he didn’t charge for it

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Wasn’t the ‘boob enlargement’ thing about helping someone’s confidence about body image rather than literal breast enlargement?

Seriously? is that what it was?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Seriously? is that what it was?

I found the comments a bit odd so had a look and apparently so.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I found the comments a bit odd so had a look and apparently so.

Well thats just ridiculous. Had me thinking he was staring at a pair of boobs trying to make them grow with hismind.

 

[Grendel]

I found the comments a bit odd so had a look and apparently so.

It was to enlarge her breasts to
Improve her body confidence

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well thats just ridiculous. Had me thinking he was staring at a pair of boobs trying to make them grow with hismind.

His views are outlandish enough not to have to make anything up. Sounds familiar to other arguments I heard on someone else…

 

[Ccfcisparks]

It was to enlarge her breasts to
Improve her body confidence

So what was he actually doing then? Talking to her boobs to make them grow?

 

[CCFCSteve]

I found the comments a bit odd so had a look and apparently so.

here’s the article

You are feeling busty ... very busty! Can you really THINK your boobs bigger?

You are feeling busty … very busty! Can you really THINK your boobs bigger?

www.thesun.co.uk

Now I’m quite a spiritual person and a believer in the power of the mind. I’d even go as far to say as I believe that hypnosis can work for some people if they have the determination/strength of character to change a mental weakness/issue. Id also say there are a lot of chancers in that industry and the fact he had a drama/acting background would indicate he could well be convincing

he was caught out badly on the rest is politics podcast. You cant be there telling everyone that it will all be ok we just need to move to a totally different monetary theory/system which will free up all the cash, without knowing even the very basics of the current one

ps maybe he shouldn’t be so coy about it all as her tits did grow

 

[Ccfcisparks]

here’s the article

You are feeling busty ... very busty! Can you really THINK your boobs bigger?

You are feeling busty … very busty! Can you really THINK your boobs bigger?

www.thesun.co.uk

Now I’m quite a spiritual person and a believer in the power of the mind. I’d even go as far to say as I believe that hypnosis can work for some people if they have the determination/strength of character to change a mental weakness/issue. Id also say there are a lot of chancers in that industry and the fact he had a drama/acting background would indicate he could well be convincing

he was caught out badly on the rest is politics podcast. You cant be there telling everyone that it will all be ok we just need to move to a totally different monetary theory/system which will free up all the cash, without knowing even the very basics of the current one

So it wasn't suggesting he could physically make boobs grow, it was more the persons perception of them could change. So again not making them grow.

 

[CCFCSteve]

So it wasn't suggesting he could physically make boobs grow, it was more the persons perception of them could change. So again not making them grow.

That’s not what the article indicates

 

[Grendel]

So it wasn't suggesting he could physically make boobs grow, it was more the persons perception of them could change. So again not making them grow.

He said it will improve cup size and can also look at improving hair growth?