Do you want to discuss boring politics? (28 Viewers)

[Sbarcher]

I have a friend who is a tax accountant. He does not take on too many clients, but the ones he has are very high wealth individuals running successful businesses.
He told me before the budget that 3 of them had asked about tax implications of leaving the UK.
These individuals pay alot of personal and company tax as well as employing people who then pay tax and NI.

Now, 'm not judging, but would I move abroad to protect my wealth or stay and pay my whack to the country which has allowed me to flourish and grow?

Hard choice?

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Polanski massively out of his depth when questioned on fairly basic stuff

The guys a chancer but he’s got an almost cult like following

 

[chiefdave]

As with many things, I think the truth/the solution lies somewhere in the middle. No one wants to see genuinely incapacitated people struggling to make ends meet, but equally we don’t want people taking the piss. Means testing all benefits is an additional cost and would take a huge amount of time invested to understand someone’s personal circumstances, whether their incapacity prevents them from doing *any* work and whether it’s something that is permanent or temporary. I’d be in favour of the above personally but clearly there’s limitations, and I think Treasury brain thinking means they weigh up the cost of administering the means testing vs the cost of making it a blanket benefit, rather than thinking about the economic multiplier effect that comes about through work.

Equally, though, you’d then get the scare stories of a 60 year old with no legs having to go to a meeting to justify that they can’t work.

As said, I like MMB’s example of adjusting the PTA but wouldn’t want benefits removed altogether. Could you tier that so that, if you’re in work, you effectively get more of a benefit? I don’t know, and it is counterintuitive because someone with additional income shouldn’t get additional help (theoretically).

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

The reassessment of incapacity benefit claimants for employment and support allowance using the work capability assessment is linked to an additional 590 suicides in England, according to new research by academics from Oxford and Liverpool universities. It is also implicated in an additional 279,000 people developing mental health conditions and 725,000 more antidepressant prescriptions being issued.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

 

[Grendel]

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

You don’t even need a diagnosis for PIP

 

[SBAndy]

We've been down the route of stricter assessments before, it didn't go well.

A lot of the times when this sort of discussion comes up it somes to skirt very close to saying mental health issues not being something we should class alongside other conditions.

I know, and it’s kind of my reticence with it. But it needs solving somehow.

You don’t even need a diagnosis for PIP

Is it a bonkers idea for the NHS and DWP to share data to ensure they don’t put people through unnecessary stress? Referencing my (theoretical) idea of the 60 year old with no legs getting hauled to a meeting.

 

[Grendel]

I know, and it’s kind of my reticence with it. But it needs solving somehow.




Is it a bonkers idea for the NHS and DWP to share data to ensure they don’t put people through unnecessary stress? Referencing my (theoretical) idea of the 60 year old with no legs getting hauled to a meeting.

You can actually write a diary of your day to day activities and you can from that day your are anxious on buses and claim support for a private hire taxi to go to work - and it doesn’t matter how high your earnings are