Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)
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Brighton Sky Blue
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It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.
All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.
Grendel
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Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Do you think using his full name somehow makes him a better or worse politician? We can play the same game with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and George Gideon Oliver Osborne if you wish.
Grendel
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I did two posts above?
Grendel
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The Brexit debate must of course be very conflicted for you
Brighton Sky Blue
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By percentages the SNP usually collect about half of the Scottish vote, but 62% voted to remain in the EU. My wife's constituency was one of the highest Leave-voting areas in Scotland but still didn't get more than half even there.
It is fair to say however that the SNP's traditional heartlands pretty much all kicked them out over their Brexit stance. Some recovery since.
Grendel
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That’s not what I asked?
Brighton Sky Blue
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For the 2017 election about 40,000 fewer votes for the SNP than Brexit in 2016. When you compare the 2015 election, there were about 450,000 more votes for the SNP than Brexit 2016.
Sky Blue Pete
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Not sniggering just smile emoticon
Grendel
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She is the big problem and needs to go.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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There's more options in elections and lower turnout.
Brighton Sky Blue
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In 2015 450,000 more voted for the SNP anyway. Hence he’s gone a bit quiet
Grendel
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Surely it would have strengthened post then not gone down?
chiefdave
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this is quite an interesting read
www.theguardian.com
Who supports Reform and why? The charts that show who favours Farage’s party
Based on largest poll of supporters, these charts and maps show five distinct groups that could hand Reform a majority
this is quite an interesting read
Who supports Reform and why? The charts that show who favours Farage’s party
Based on largest poll of supporters, these charts and maps show five distinct groups that could hand Reform a majority
The ‘working right’ sound like old school traditional Labour voters to me
Brighton Sky Blue
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Find it interesting to see the divide between those who prioritise cost of living and immigration.
Brighton Sky Blue
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fernandopartridge
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The problem with Reeves is that she only sees the economy through the eyes of the city and / or her Thatcherite philosophy on government spending.
She has no clue about the real world impact of any decisions on people or businesses.
She has no clue about the real world impact of any decisions on people or businesses.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Do you think maybe we ought to start looking at the real world record of the economics put forward over the last few decades and suggest that the main proponents behind them ( like PPE and LSE Economics) are actually at best massively flawed and at worst rubbish.
Mucca Mad Boys
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These are the people that are in competition with low income migrants so they’ve put 2+2 together and made the link between mass immigration and cost of living.
Indeed. The Labour Party and indeed wider trade union movement had generally been “right wing” on immigration by today’s standards. Blair changed that fabric and social liberalism is so entrenched in the party it’s chased away of working class voters.
The labels used by this article is a bit patronising too. For example, ‘Contrarian Youth’. Overall, Gen Z voters are surprisingly a lot more right wing than previous generations, specifically on immigration. My expectation is that this is because they’re the first generation who grew up in the era of mass migration but that’s conjecture. In Germany, the AfD polled surprisingly well among young male voters but even its standing among female voters was unexpectedly high.
In any case, Reform and Greens do v well with Gen Z voters so rather than being “contrarian”, UK politics is changing in a v fundamental way.
UK politics has been realigning since Brexit and for a moment, the Tories had ‘won’ momentarily but because of its betrayal on immigration, faced annihilation. The findings on the article are interesting but unsurprising. I’d expect v similar results if prospective Green voters were polled.
Many Labour voters share a similar disgust to this Labour government as was the case with Tory voters and the last Tory one.
The main parties can no longer gaslight the electorate by saying “Vote Reform, get Labour” or “Vote Green, get Reform”. The electorate is rightly washing their hands of a decrepit ancien régime until they offer policies they actually want.
Brighton Sky Blue
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No, my point was some have a top priority of cost of living and for others it’s immigration. Low income migrants aren’t the reason behind high living costs anyway, but that’s the Reform grift summed up quite neatly anyway.
