Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Pete may be sniggering but Reeves is viewed as a disaster - no business big or small has any confidence in her whatsoever- she is pitifully out of her depth

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not at all, far from breaking up the Union, Brexit was implicitly saved it. The nationalists in Scotland and Wales can’t credibly argue that they’ll join the EU because that would mean hard borders with England. Which is just not realistic.

NI will probably be lost, with or without Brexit.

It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.

All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.

 

[Grendel]

It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.

All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.

Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of course one thing is for certain. If Sir Anthony Charles Lynton Blair was PM he’d be sucking up to The Donald like no tomorrow.

You only have to look how he dribbled over George Dubya Bush to agree with that. Two brain cells meet and unite.

Do you think using his full name somehow makes him a better or worse politician? We can play the same game with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and George Gideon Oliver Osborne if you wish.

 

[Grendel]

Do you think using his full name somehow makes him a better or worse politician? We can play the same game with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson if you wish.

I did two posts above?

 

[Grendel]

It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.

All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.

The Brexit debate must of course be very conflicted for you

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?

By percentages the SNP usually collect about half of the Scottish vote, but 62% voted to remain in the EU. My wife's constituency was one of the highest Leave-voting areas in Scotland but still didn't get more than half even there.

It is fair to say however that the SNP's traditional heartlands pretty much all kicked them out over their Brexit stance. Some recovery since.

 

[Grendel]

By percentages the SNP usually collect about half of the Scottish vote, but 62% voted to remain in the EU. My wife's constituency was one of the highest Leave-voting areas in Scotland but still didn't get more than half even there.

It is fair to say however that the SNP's traditional heartlands pretty much all kicked them out over their Brexit stance. Some recovery since.

That’s not what I asked?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s not what I asked?

For the 2017 election about 40,000 fewer votes for the SNP than Brexit in 2016. When you compare the 2015 election, there were about 450,000 more votes for the SNP than Brexit 2016.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pete may be sniggering but Reeves is viewed as a disaster - no business big or small has any confidence in her whatsoever- she is pitifully out of her depth

Not sniggering just smile emoticon

 

[Grendel]

Not sniggering just smile emoticon

She is the big problem and needs to go.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?

There's more options in elections and lower turnout.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There's more options in elections and lower turnout.

In 2015 450,000 more voted for the SNP anyway. Hence he’s gone a bit quiet

 

[Grendel]

In 2015 450,000 more voted for the SNP anyway. Hence he’s gone a bit quiet

Surely it would have strengthened post then not gone down?

 

[chiefdave]

this is quite an interesting read

Who supports Reform and why? The charts that show who favours Farage’s party

Based on largest poll of supporters, these charts and maps show five distinct groups that could hand Reform a majority

www.theguardian.com

 

[CCFCSteve]

this is quite an interesting read

Who supports Reform and why? The charts that show who favours Farage’s party

Based on largest poll of supporters, these charts and maps show five distinct groups that could hand Reform a majority

www.theguardian.com

The ‘working right’ sound like old school traditional Labour voters to me

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The ‘working right’ sound like old school traditional Labour voters to me

Find it interesting to see the divide between those who prioritise cost of living and immigration.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Summoning @TomRad85 to the politics thread. That’s @TomRad85 to the politics thread, thank you.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The problem with Reeves is that she only sees the economy through the eyes of the city and / or her Thatcherite philosophy on government spending.

She has no clue about the real world impact of any decisions on people or businesses.