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stupot07

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,551
FFS .


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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,552
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m the article?
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Yeah this bit:

She said: "It's right that we inspect first and foremost in the interests of children, their parents and carers. But in the light of Mrs Perry's sad death, it's also vital that we do all we can to minimise stress and anxiety when we inspect."

Found it incredibly callous. Exactly how have those kids and parents interests been served here? By killing a dedicated and respected head? Not a shred of remorse. I find it abhorrent TBH.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,553
I think people who have been through an Ofsted understand how this came to pass and it’s a feature not a bug. The system is designed to pile as much stress on staff as possible and along with the inflexibility and need for secrecy makes getting help or negotiating virtually impossible.

Just another symptom of the state viewing teachers as disposable TBH.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,554
Anyway onto a lighter topic, can anyone explain why the leader of the opposition in the UK is responsible for the actions of the Israeli government?

 
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PVA

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #32,555
stupot07 said:
FFS .


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It's getting to the stage where I think we need to consider the possibility that someone in government has fallen for an old school email scam?

Can just imagine some Rwandan chancers sending out a few million 'I need money for a flight!' scam emails and getting a single response...from someone in the UK government.

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #32,556
shmmeee said:
Yeah this bit:

She said: "It's right that we inspect first and foremost in the interests of children, their parents and carers. But in the light of Mrs Perry's sad death, it's also vital that we do all we can to minimise stress and anxiety when we inspect."

Found it incredibly callous. Exactly how have those kids and parents interests been served here? By killing a dedicated and respected head? Not a shred of remorse. I find it abhorrent TBH.
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Yeah first and foremost we recognise the loss yep I see that
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #32,557
shmmeee said:
Anyway onto a lighter topic, can anyone explain why the leader of the opposition in the UK is responsible for the actions of the Israeli government?

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Yep it’s probably 0 isn’t it
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #32,558
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep it’s probably 0 isn’t it
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I think 'probably' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there Pete!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #32,559
PVA said:
I think 'probably' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there Pete!
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Were going to feel silly when it turns out he did actually kill a kid.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #32,560
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yeah first and foremost we recognise the loss yep I see that
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It should be a watershed moment. If that was me I’d be distraught at what my organisation had done and be calling for reform. Instead it comes across more like “yeah I guess we should say things nicer or something, but we were right to be so rigorous”

It’s this attitude from Ofsted that kids are best served by being cunts to teachers. Like teachers arent also trying to serve families and students. That whole attitude in both Ofsted and the govt at the moment seeps through. It says “teacher are lazy fuckers and if we don’t kick them then children will be let down!” Mixed in with a bit of jobsworthness that means if an HR doc is missing years of hard work making kids lives better is for naught. I was at a school that got inadequate once. It was entirely down to attendance. Everything else was great. Attendance was low because we took in kids with long term sickness and actually were brilliant at keeping their education going while in an out of hospital. All the inspector saw was “number says no”. It destroyed a fantastic school. Head went. Staff left. Like this school kids and families were happy, who exactly is being served here?

That statement to me just shows that that woman still thinks the right thing happened. Still thinks it’s not a damning statement on the competence of her inspectors that a school went from outstanding to inadequate back to good in half a year.

Ofsted judgements are a total crap shoot. They’re sprung last minute and teachers are expected to drop everything and work 20 hour days for a three days. We end careers (and lives) on these judgements, schools and communities are ripped apart by them. And the worst thing? The best evidence we have suggests that there is nothing objective whatsoever about the distinction between a good school, a requires improvement school and an inadequate school. The most important factor is the inspectors not anything the school does.

I could go on and on about how useless and counterproductive HMI are.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #32,561

Italian grandmother who has lived in UK for 42 years told to leave by Home Office

Leonarda Zarcone, born in Italy and a French citizen, and her husband moved to the UK in 1981. Post-Brexit, she and her family were granted settled status, but the Home Office requested more information.
news.sky.com
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #32,562
Here's this week's entry for encouraging me not to bother voting

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wes-streeting-nhs-uses-every-winter-crisis-as-an-excuse-for-cash

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,563
wingy said:

Italian grandmother who has lived in UK for 42 years told to leave by Home Office

Leonarda Zarcone, born in Italy and a French citizen, and her husband moved to the UK in 1981. Post-Brexit, she and her family were granted settled status, but the Home Office requested more information.
news.sky.com
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Disgraceful. A mate of mine used to live a couple of minutes walk away from their fish and chip shop on the Narborough Road. They must have paid a fair whack in tax over their lives.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,564
wingy said:

Italian grandmother who has lived in UK for 42 years told to leave by Home Office

Leonarda Zarcone, born in Italy and a French citizen, and her husband moved to the UK in 1981. Post-Brexit, she and her family were granted settled status, but the Home Office requested more information.
news.sky.com
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Just ridiculous. Even more so if it’s correct that it all stems from an email that went into spam - still find that part hard to believe as surely they’d have to correspond by post for something official ? I suppose it shouldn’t surprise me though, I remember John Reid saying the home office was not fit for purpose in labours days and it hasn’t improved since. Shambles
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,565
This is actually a decent theory

 

stupot07

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,566
It's remarkable that the only two people/witnesses in the COVID inquiry to have "lost" WhatsApp messages are Boris Johnson (PM at the time) and Sunak (CX at the time and now PM)....

Funny that.

They also don't remember any of the conversations, meetings, etc where the bad decisions came or something controversial was said, but can remember in detail every conversation about "good" things like the vaccine roll out.

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shmmeee

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,567
First thing Labour should do is bring in opsec rules for ministers that means they can’t pull this shit. And if they do the “oh I reset my phone” then they’re arrested for destroying evidence.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,568
shmmeee said:
First thing Labour should do is bring in opsec rules for ministers that means they can’t pull this shit. And if they do the “oh I reset my phone” then they’re arrested for destroying evidence.
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There is no need to do government by WhatsApp really, the problem just should not exist.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,569
shmmeee said:
This is actually a decent theory

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I've long thought that, there is a rump of voters they're obsessed with appealing to who are never going to vote for them or might not even matter anyway! Just playing up to those voters delusions.

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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,570
fernandopartridge said:
I've long thought that, there is a rump of voters they're obsessed with appealing to who are never going to vote for them or might not even matter anyway! Just playing up to those voters delusions.

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You do wonder if Starmers ego is working overtime with this and he wants a bigger majority than Boris in 2019 for bragging rights. Apparently they really do despise each other beyond what is the norm between a PM and opposition leader. Desperation to win that dick waving competition might explain it.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,571
stupot07 said:
It's remarkable that the only two people/witnesses in the COVID inquiry to have "lost" WhatsApp messages are Boris Johnson (PM at the time) and Sunak (CX at the time and now PM)....

Funny that.

They also don't remember any of the conversations, meetings, etc where the bad decisions came or something controversial was said, but can remember in detail every conversation about "good" things like the vaccine roll out.

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I've a feeling Sunak is going to be in deep trouble in the next few days.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,572
fernandopartridge said:
There is no need to do government by WhatsApp really, the problem just should not exist.
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They will though. It’s just a common messaging platform but there needs to be rules somehow to make sure they don’t just delete everything.

In the states the president has a special secure phone, so we not do anything like that ? Is Sunak just rocking a stock iPhone from Carphone Warehouse??
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,573
clint van damme said:
I've a feeling Sunak is going to be in deep trouble in the next few days.
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There’s an “advent calendar of shit” planned by the Tory rebels apparently.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,574
shmmeee said:
There’s an “advent calendar of shit” planned by the Tory rebels apparently.
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That's quite creative. Pity they didn't put as much effort into running the country.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,575
stupot07 said:
It's remarkable that the only two people/witnesses in the COVID inquiry to have "lost" WhatsApp messages are Boris Johnson (PM at the time) and Sunak (CX at the time and now PM)....

Funny that.

They also don't remember any of the conversations, meetings, etc where the bad decisions came or something controversial was said, but can remember in detail every conversation about "good" things like the vaccine roll out.

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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,576
clint van damme said:
I've a feeling Sunak is going to be in deep trouble in the next few days.
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Gone by Christmas I reckon.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,577
fernandopartridge said:
Here's this week's entry for encouraging me not to bother voting

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wes-streeting-nhs-uses-every-winter-crisis-as-an-excuse-for-cash

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Park the headline and it’s actually an interesting article. There’s definitely some stuff that we should be learning and implementing from other health services. I’ve always thought Labour is the only party that could reform the nhs and it needs to be done alongside increased investment, especially in tech, to avoid shouts of austerity.

‘The government there also launched the Healthy 365 app in 2015 which encourages users to be healthier through exercise and diet control and rewards them with points that can be spent in supermarkets and coffee shops. A national step challenge to encourage people to walk 10,000 steps a day attracted 700,000 Singaporeans to sign up’

Sounds basic and who knows how much it helps but they’re trying to do stuff like that when about 7% of their population is classed as obese..it’s about 26% here (60%+ adults overweight or obese and 33% kids). We’re an aging unhealthy population and unless that changes the nhs will continue to be a money pit unable to keep up with ever increasing demands on its services
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,578
CCFCSteve said:
Park the headline and it’s actually an interesting article. There’s definitely some stuff that we should be learning and implementing from other health services. I’ve always thought Labour is the only party that could reform the nhs and it needs to be done alongside increased investment, especially in tech, to avoid shouts of austerity.

‘The government there also launched the Healthy 365 app in 2015 which encourages users to be healthier through exercise and diet control and rewards them with points that can be spent in supermarkets and coffee shops. A national step challenge to encourage people to walk 10,000 steps a day attracted 700,000 Singaporeans to sign up’

Sounds basic and who knows how much it helps but they’re trying to do stuff like that when about 7% of their population is classed as obese..it’s about 26% here (60%+ adults overweight or obese and 33% kids). We’re an aging unhealthy population and unless that changes the nhs will continue to be a money pit unable to keep up with ever increasing demands on its services
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I agree (but wasn’t going to say it) I think his messaging is terrible (it’s Streeting so no surprise there), but the overall idea of using tech to improve patient experience I’m fully on board with.

Problem is it’s Labour who are anti-data generally so I worry they don’t have it in them to do this and would instead start ranting about “tech bros” and “Cambridge Analytica and Peter Thiel”.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,579
stupot07 said:
It's remarkable that the only two people/witnesses in the COVID inquiry to have "lost" WhatsApp messages are Boris Johnson (PM at the time) and Sunak (CX at the time and now PM)....

Funny that.

They also don't remember any of the conversations, meetings, etc where the bad decisions came or something controversial was said, but can remember in detail every conversation about "good" things like the vaccine roll out.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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And yet in 5 years time when it comes to writing their memoirs they'll be able to remember every last detail.

It makes me sick to be honest, it's disgusting.

This whole inquiry is a bit of a farce really. These people caused thousands to die through incompetence and negligence and the end result of this inquiry will be 'oh nevermind, boys will be boys, better luck next time lol'
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,580
Sunak really is rubbish
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,581
Just throw Sunak and Johnson in prison until their memory returns.
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,582
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Just throw Sunak and Johnson in prison until their memory returns.
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Make them have a scrap in the yard.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,583
CCFCSteve said:
Park the headline and it’s actually an interesting article. There’s definitely some stuff that we should be learning and implementing from other health services. I’ve always thought Labour is the only party that could reform the nhs and it needs to be done alongside increased investment, especially in tech, to avoid shouts of austerity.

‘The government there also launched the Healthy 365 app in 2015 which encourages users to be healthier through exercise and diet control and rewards them with points that can be spent in supermarkets and coffee shops. A national step challenge to encourage people to walk 10,000 steps a day attracted 700,000 Singaporeans to sign up’

Sounds basic and who knows how much it helps but they’re trying to do stuff like that when about 7% of their population is classed as obese..it’s about 26% here (60%+ adults overweight or obese and 33% kids). We’re an aging unhealthy population and unless that changes the nhs will continue to be a money pit unable to keep up with ever increasing demands on its services
Click to expand...

The thing is that like all politicians they delude themselves to thinking tech is the only answer, that nobody else has thought of it, and that it could be implemented tomorrow. It shows a very poor understanding of the NHS technology environment and the basic infrastructure.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,584
It's a bit like I mentioned around skipping 5g as a Brexit saving,and then last night I was watching an ad for 6g.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #32,585
NHS England makes available pots of funding that other NHS Trusts or ICBs have to bid for for specific tech, instead of rolling it into funding allocations to providers it creates this burden which then necessarily ends up with business consultants etc involved and different trusts or systems end up losing. Sort these structural design faults out.

See here for an example of how the NHS is still trying to get the basic infrastructure right to support all this wonderful tech never mind the people and processes.

Future Connectivity - NHS England Digital

Ensuring health and care organisations have the right underlying network infrastructure, broadband connectivity and wireless technology in place to support the growing demand for bandwidth and reliable connectivity, especially in locations which are heard to reach.
digital.nhs.uk

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