Do you want to discuss boring politics? (30 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I’m just trying to understand why countries with high GDP per capita - a table typically topped by Middle East petrostates and gambling dens - are considered to be more culturally similar to us than, say, much poorer Commonwealth states who have used our language and legal system for more than a century.

It’s not just about culture. It’s about the number of people that are likely to emigrate. Most Kuwaitis and Arabs emigrant between the countries, not to the UK. If we opened up to Ukraine we’d have the same issues we had in the early 2000s.

 

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[SBT]

But we don’t need to. I’m using these cities as examples because people are saying we can’t increase density at all. As I say there’s huge swathes of ground between central London now and Manhattan. But people are acting like if we add another storey to some buildings we’ll be living in slum land. It’s nonsense.

I agree with you there, but it’s one thing to attract millions more people to cramp together in New York, the cultural and financial capital of the planet. Persuading them to move to a windowless studio in Milton Keynes may be a tougher pitch…

 

[Grendel]

I mean even if we stopped all the foreigners we’d still need to build something like a million homes to meet what we have. Are we saying that’s impossible?

You have a financial interest in land acquisition don’t you?

 

[shmmeee]

I agree with you there, but it’s one thing to attract millions more people to cramp together in New York, the cultural and financial capital of the planet. Persuading them to move to a windowless studio in Milton Keynes may be a tougher pitch…

Haha true. But we need housing around there and we need lab space. It’s obviously not going to be one place but the main point is yes we can handle more people because there’s lots of places with room to grow. And the idea that them doing that means we pave over the entire countryside is a nonsense.

 

[shmmeee]

You have a financial interest in land acquisition don’t you?

No

 

[wingy]

You assume wrong - I just mean that Manhattan’s population density is deeply unusual for a major western city, and is the product of urban planning, economic and cultural factors that can’t be replicated in central London, which is thousands of years old. And having lived in both places, central London is a much more pleasant place to live. I’m not being a NIMBY saying that - let a thousand blossoms bloom etc - but we’re not about to turn Westminster into the Lower East Side and we shouldn’t pretend we can either.

I don't think it's possible to say London's underpopulated, think schmmeee's data samples are lacking something, not sure what, no disrespect intended there.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I don't think it's possible to say London's underpopulated, think schmmeee's data samples are lacking something, not sure what, no disrespect intended there.

They do assume the alernative is better. I'd rather live in Birmingham than Singapore!

 

[shmmeee]

They do assume the alernative is better. I'd rather live in Birmingham than Singapore!

But we’ve just established you hate cities!

Id rather live in Singapore than the Outer Hebrides. It takes all sorts!

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think it's possible to say London's underpopulated, think schmmeee's data samples are lacking something, not sure what, no disrespect intended there.

None taken it’s all forum bollocks. It’s mostly about adding a couple of stories here and there and building high rise where it’s appropriate. The only high rise that gets build in London is in the City pretty much

 

[shmmeee]

Random pin drop in London. Are you telling me making these buildings another 2-3 stories would be the end of the world?



It’s literally the same height as my mates house on the old Marconi site!

 

[NorthernWisdom]

But we’ve just established you hate cities!

We haven't, we've established I hate the type of city you want to turn Birmingham into!

 

[shmmeee]

We haven't, we've established I hate the type of city you want to turn Birmingham into!

What is your actual issue?

 

[wingy]

What is your actual issue?

Well for a start the infrastructure to support the like, I mean the red wall and all that?

 

[SBT]

It’s not just about culture. It’s about the number of people that are likely to emigrate. Most Kuwaitis and Arabs emigrant between the countries, not to the UK. If we opened up to Ukraine we’d have the same issues we had in the early 2000s.

Well you were the one who said your concern was culture! But it sounds like your concerns are more socio-economic?

 

[shmmeee]

Well you were the one who said your concern was culture! But it sounds like your concerns are more socio-economic?

It’s about the same. But you’re conflating two things here.

1) Which countries would you have open borders with? I’d choose ones of a similar economic status as that means large amounts of poorly educated people are unlikely to want to move here and reduce living standards and rely on community support, harming integration.

2) Rate of immigration making integration into our culture hard and needing to somehow manage that.

 

[shmmeee]

Well for a start the infrastructure to support the like, I mean the red wall and all that?

We get the infrastructure we pay for.

 

[SBT]

It’s about the same. But you’re conflating two things here.

1) Which countries would you have open borders with? I’d choose ones of a similar economic status as that means large amounts of poorly educated people are unlikely to want to move here and reduce living standards and rely on community support, harming integration.

2) Rate of immigration making integration into our culture hard and needing to somehow manage that.

That’s quite a value judgment there! Does someone requiring community support mean they don’t/can’t integrate into that new community?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Our population per square km is 277 according to wiki. Netherlands: 424, South Korea: 516, Singapore: 8,250.

Loads of room to grow

1.3% of the land used for residential in England, 56m people

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[wingy]

1.3% of the land used for residential in England, 56m people

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What happened to that total, sure we were looking at signifantly more about 10 yrs back or am I just overloaded on stats.

 

[wingy]

Oh that's just England?

 

[wingy]

So add 10m or so for the union?

 

[wingy]

But what's the deduction of buildable from the mass?

 

[shmmeee]

Not all buildings are residential, plus there’s roads, car parks, etc. Hence the difference between 1.5% resi and just under 10% built. Plus 4% resi gardens.

 

[wingy]

National Parks etc,unfit for building etc.

 

[shmmeee]

That’s quite a value judgment there! Does someone requiring community support mean they don’t/can’t integrate into that new community?

Should have been clearer. Poor immigrants are more likely to cluster for a variety of reasons: the community they need support from is their fellow ex pats. Means less likely to learn the language. Less likely to learn unwritten rules and customs.

 

[shmmeee]

National Parks etc,unfit for building etc.

But equally whacking great flat car parks near stations could be ten stories higher.

 

[wingy]

But equally whacking great flat car parks near stations could be ten stories higher.

Can't do it cos of electric cars?

 

[shmmeee]

Can't do it cos of electric cars?

You’ve lost me there lol

 

[wingy]

Burn down!

 

[Ian1779]

I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….

 

[wingy]

A style of presentation we're getting used to.

Just found another one projecting into the future a little, don't know what the futures looking at but I suppose I should relax.

 

[shmmeee]

I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….

100% no evidence their ratings mean anything or they have any impact on schools beyond surface level.

 

[wingy]

I’m just trying to understand why countries with high GDP per capita - a table typically topped by Middle East petrostates and gambling dens - are considered to be more culturally similar to us than, say, much poorer Commonwealth states who have used our language and legal system for more than a century.

Or the Europeans who we've moved away from.
We love our cars and don't have the same resources as the Americans, reckon we'll get that deal soon. Guess it depends on how you like your politics, I mean the eastern Europeans I interacted with are certainly to the right,south Asians probably similar on things like membership of the EU?

 

[shmmeee]

I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….

Those inspectors should be charged with manslaughter. The callousness in that Ofsted statement. Pure evil.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Those inspectors should be charged with manslaughter. The callousness in that Ofsted statement. Pure evil.

I’m the article?