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Evo1883

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,946

If your own party MPs don't know , what chance do we have
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,947
I actually put the wrong picture up , this was the one that made me laugh

Are we a nation of sociopaths
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,948
Crosstabs are here if you want to see who they asked: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/eq0tai40an/Internal_England_COVIDRestrictions_211022_W.pdf
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,949
shmmeee said:
What reassurance? “Oh don’t worry guys in three years we might fix this, but probably not because we don’t care about getting elected.”. Much reassuring.
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Of course how silly of me - wishy washy messaging is the way to get elected.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,950
SBT said:
Crosstabs are here if you want to see who they asked: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/eq0tai40an/Internal_England_COVIDRestrictions_211022_W.pdf
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I've seen that , I still don't believe it .. doesnt reflect on public behaviour whatsoever

Bet I could go do a poll right now of 1700 people that will show you differently... with the same demographics
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,951
Evo1883 said:
I actually put the wrong picture up , this was the one that made me laugh View attachment 22435

Are we a nation of sociopaths
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People called the police when KFC ran out of chicken. That's what we're dealing with.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,952
Skybluefaz said:
People called the police when KFC ran out of chicken. That's what we're dealing with.
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Do you want to stay in forever

British public

"Yes"
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,953
Evo1883 said:
I actually put the wrong picture up , this was the one that made me laugh View attachment 22435

Are we a nation of sociopaths
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There is nothing wrong with the top 2 to be fair as we go into winter.
 

TomRad85

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,954
Ian1779 said:
There is nothing wrong with the top 2 to be fair as we go into winter.
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The top 2 are completely fine. In fact I wish people would wear masks on the tube forever, disgusting place. The rest can go fuck themselves though.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,955
shmmeee said:
Yet again you’re missing the point. People don’t vote Labour because they think we’re too soft so we have to message harder. The Tories have the opposite issue.

This was what did Corbyn. Individual policy polling over party image polling.
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Message harder? Tell me what message is being sent here
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,956
Ian1779 said:
Of course how silly of me - wishy washy messaging is the way to get elected.
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Have a read of this: Opinion | David Shor Is Telling Democrats What They Don’t Want to Hear

Voters don’t vote on specifics, they don’t vote for policy (they don’t vote for anything three years from an election!), they vote on feel and yes that’s wishy washy.

Genuinely what do you want? Because it seems an awful lot like “do what Corbyn did” and we saw how that worked out.

Look I’d love it if we lived in a country where the majority were both politically engaged and very left wing and I could just have a party just for me that said everything I liked. But that’s not reality.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,957
Evo1883 said:
Do you want to stay in forever

British public

"Yes"
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That’s not what the poll you posted says? There was no majority support for limiting events or movement.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,958
fernandopartridge said:
Message harder? Tell me what message is being sent here
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“We won’t just promise spending Willy nilly” basically.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,959
shmmeee said:
Looks pretty good to me. Focuses on voters main concerns over Labour (tax and spend). Not sure what more you want.
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Too long-winded and wordy
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,960
Grendel said:
but most people don’t want your vision - they don’t want it
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I don't think that's true. They're just told it will be rubbish and some lazy scumbag will be given all their money to buy drugs. Support for the NHS is very strong. Support for pensions is strong. Income support for those on low wages has strong support. These are left-wing principles. Right-wing would say if you get sick and you don't have enough money to pay for treatment tough. If you get old and haven't earned enough money to survive tough. If you don't have enough money to support your kids because you can't work too many hours because you need to take care of kids tough - you shouldn't have had kids.

What they're really fed up of is seeing others have so much more than them. People who have private jets and yachts while they're just trying to keep a roof over their head. But they're told from a young age the only way around that is to try and become like them. The idea of having a fairer and more equitable distribution of what is available isn't even suggested because the people in charge are the ones that have it all and don't want to share it.

Most people would be content with a roof over their heads, food on their table, able to pay the bills and the people they care about to be safe, well and happy. Look at the likes of Phillip Green - got more money than he could hope to spend in a lifetime yet he's a miserable bastard because all he cares about is monetary value.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,961
shmmeee said:
“We won’t just promise spending Willy nilly” basically.
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Retaining an already costed provision for the very poorest is hardly spending "willy nilly". What on earth is the party about?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,962
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I don't think that's true. They're just told it will be rubbish and some lazy scumbag will be given all their money to buy drugs. Support for the NHS is very strong. Support for pensions is strong. Income support for those on low wages has strong support. These are left-wing principles. Right-wing would say if you get sick and you don't have enough money to pay for treatment tough. If you get old and haven't earned enough money to survive tough. If you don't have enough money to support your kids because you can't work too many hours because you need to take care of kids tough - you shouldn't have had kids.

What they're really fed up of is seeing others have so much more than them. People who have private jets and yachts while they're just trying to keep a roof over their head. But they're told from a young age the only way around that is to try and become like them. The idea of having a fairer and more equitable distribution of what is available isn't even suggested because the people in charge are the ones that have it all and don't want to share it.

Most people would be content with a roof over their heads, food on their table, able to pay the bills and the people they care about to be safe, well and happy. Look at the likes of Phillip Green - got more money than he could hope to spend in a lifetime yet he's a miserable bastard because all he cares about is monetary value.
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a race to the bottom - not for me thanks
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,963
Grendel said:
a race to the bottom - not for me thanks
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Grendel

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,964
The Tonester has me on auto reply - I’m puzzled why never in a football thread?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,965
Grendel said:
The Tonester has me on auto reply - I’m puzzled why never in a football thread?
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,966
Grendel said:
a race to the bottom - not for me thanks
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Hurrah! Knew you would respond with some cliched right-wing economic soundbite.

It's not a race to the bottom - it's a journey to the middle where the bottom is a lot higher up than it is now.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,967
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Hurrah! Knew you would respond with some cliched right-wing economic soundbite.

It's not a race to the bottom - it's a journey to the middle where the bottom is a lot higher up than it is now.
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Well gear campaigning - Tories will be destroyed and a Labour utopia for eternity beckons
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,968
So. Just to be clear. We have labour shortages causing shelves to empty in shops, panic buying, industries slowing to a crawl because they can’t get materials, we’re pumping untreated sewage into the rivers and seas, industries lost access to markets, a government who’s willingness to bend over and take one from former colonies in trade negotiations for a failed ideology knows no bounds, a public who’s been so brainwashed to have enough of experts we have a stalled vaccine rollout meaning we once again have the worst infection rate and death rates in Europe etc etc etc. All championed by someone apparently worried about a race to the bottom.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,969
Evo1883 said:
Do you want to stay in forever

British public

"Yes"
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If it's cold then hell yes
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #7,970
skybluetony176 said:
So. Just to be clear. We have labour shortages causing shelves to empty in shops, panic buying, industries slowing to a crawl because they can’t get materials, we’re pumping untreated sewage into the rivers and seas, industries lost access to markets, a government who’s willingness to bend over and take one from former colonies in trade negotiations for a failed ideology knows no bounds, a public who’s been so brainwashed to have enough of experts we have a stalled vaccine rollout meaning we once again have the worst infection rate and death rates in Europe etc etc etc. All championed by someone apparently worried about a race to the bottom.
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Quite.

You can't say you don't want a race to the bottom yet give your full support to this government. Pick one.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,971
What a pathetic little weasel.


 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,972
PVA said:
What a pathetic little weasel.
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Not great to see so many MPs using the murder of a colleague as an excuse not to be answerable to the electorate. Seen numerous examples of people being blocked by their MP for politely asking why they voted the way they did.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,973
Yep, it's utterly shameful behaviour.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,974
How long before the rumours of Starmer being taken out of the firing line on budget day start?

 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,975
Well done Kier.....some positive news at last.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,976
We're so lucky that the country is in such a good position with no problems at all that PMQs can consist of questions about cheese toasties and songs for children.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,977
I don't follow PMQs or any of the other day to day shite that happens in the commons tbf.....but i'm glad to hear cheese toasties are being debated....

the unnecessary "pimping" & "hacking"of the humble toasty has been going unchallended for far too long.......this could re-engage the disenfranchised.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,978
Good start to the budget, a bollocking for Sunak for most of the budget being leaked in advance.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,979
Budget was a bit of a non-event. Followed the template, lots of bluster, re-annoucements and shifting targets. Oddly given what's happening at the moment not one mention of climate.

Credit where its due. Milliband and Reeves have both done a good job today. Although not sure things being noticeably better when Starmer is absent is great for. Labour
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #7,980
chiefdave said:
Budget was a bit of a non-event. Followed the template, lots of bluster, re-annoucements and shifting targets. Oddly given what's happening at the moment not one mention of climate.

Credit where its due. Milliband and Reeves have both done a good job today. Although not sure things being noticeably better when Starmer is absent is great for. Labour
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Bring back Red Ed?

(I always liked him TBF)
 
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