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skybluetony176 said:

What would “concrete evidence” be in your opinion?

I mean he’s admitted it but blamed the victims for having having a memory of it and taking it too personally. We’re up to 20 victims I think at the last count, one of his former teachers also recalled him saying similar/the same things. The founder of UKIP recalls him using the N word when they argued over letting former NF members join UKIP, Ferage was pro NF members by the way and many more examples. There’s not just examples of Ferage saying racist stuff as a silly teenager showing off to other bullies. There’s clear evidence that there’s a pattern of behaviour that followed him into adulthood and indeed his political life.

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Schools keep records so ‘concrete evidence’ means reports/records of punishments and so on.

Even The Guardian hit piece, several others from his Dulwich cohort, including a teacher said he racist or an extreme right winger. Either way, what someone said between 13-18 is scarcely indicative of an adults world view.

As @StrettoBoy points out, Starmer was a Trotskyist in his 20s and no one bats an eyelid because he’s obviously moved on from supporting one of the architects of the gulag archipelago.

Either way, the ‘deeply shocking’ revelations have had no impact on Reform’s polling so the whole exercise looks like a desperate smear.

Mucca Mad Boys said:

Schools keep records so ‘concrete evidence’ means reports/records of punishments and so on.

Even The Guardian hit piece, several others from his Dulwich cohort, including a teacher said he racist or an extreme right winger. Either way, what someone said between 13-18 is scarcely indicative of an adults world view.

As @StrettoBoy points out, Starmer was a Trotskyist in his 20s and no one bats an eyelid because he’s obviously moved on from supporting one of the architects of the gulag archipelago.

Either way, the ‘deeply shocking’ revelations have had no impact on Reform’s polling so the whole exercise looks like a desperate smear.

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I tell you what. When it comes out that Starmer was bullying the children of the survivors of the Gulag saying Lenin got it right then you’ll have a point. Until then you’re just waffling bollocks shaped whataboutry.

Secondly you’re saying Shemima Bengham must be forgiven.

Thirdly you’re ignoring the pattern of behaviour that followed him well into adulthood and into at least the early part of his political life.

Fourthly he’s admitted it so it can’t be a smear by any definition of the word.

Fithly. The way the press has been slow in reporting this to the extent that they did when antisemitism was attached to the Labour Party under Corbyn although they’re now starting to catch up.

and finally rumours are abound that there’s more to come out.

Mucca Mad Boys said:

Schools keep records so ‘concrete evidence’ means reports/records of punishments and so on.

Even The Guardian hit piece, several others from his Dulwich cohort, including a teacher said he racist or an extreme right winger. Either way, what someone said between 13-18 is scarcely indicative of an adults world view.

As @StrettoBoy points out, Starmer was a Trotskyist in his 20s and no one bats an eyelid because he’s obviously moved on from supporting one of the architects of the gulag archipelago.

Either way, the ‘deeply shocking’ revelations have had no impact on Reform’s polling so the whole exercise looks like a desperate smear.

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The fact that it's had little impact speaks more to the kind of shit that Reform voters will swallow to get Nige into power, than anything else.

Farage hasn't moved on, he's simply denying it, despite a decent amount of evidence from those directly involved.

And it's not exactly a smear if it's true, is it?

Indeed, can you link to where Starmer supported Gulags, which were actually under Stalin rather than Trotsky, because that is a smear, and a lazily inaccurate one too.

Google can help explain the difference between Marxism, socialism and communism if you're struggling with the concepts.

duffer said:

The fact that it's had little impact speaks more to the kind of shit that Reform voters will swallow to get Nige into power, than anything else.

Farage hasn't moved on, he's simply denying it, despite a decent amount of evidence from those directly involved.

And it's not exactly a smear if it's true, is it?

Indeed, can you link to where Starmer supported Gulags, which were actually under Stalin rather than Trotsky, because that is a smear, and a lazily inaccurate one too.

Google can help explain the difference between Marxism, socialism and communism if you're struggling with the concepts.

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The Gulag Archipelago refers to a book. If you’re familiar with your Soviet history, then you’ll be well acquainted with Trotsky’s ‘War Socialism’ policies and his role in setting up the Cheka, the predecessor to the NKVD and KBG as well as the crushing of the Kronstadt sailors.

One of history’s great ‘what if’ questions is whether it had been Trotsky, rather than Stalin who succeeded Lenin… my view on that, in the grand scheme of things, not much would’ve been different but, this isn’t an Alt History thread.