Do you want to discuss boring politics? (29 Viewers)
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It’s not quite the same thing as someone going to the Middle East and joining ISIS, is it?
No one can actually prove what Farage said but we know Begum did what she did.
Dumb whataboutism, next.
I mean it is the same thing if you are using age to defend one person's actions but not the other.
Either you know what you're doing when you're 15 or you don't.
Grendel
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It’s not quite the same thing as someone going to the Middle East and joining ISIS, is it?
No one can actually prove what Farage said but we know Begum did what she did.
Dumb whataboutism, next.
I did cringe for him a bit to be honest
Mucca Mad Boys
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Really?! This is your argument?
Firstly, taking the allegations at face value, no one is really saying Farage didn’t know what he was doing. They just don’t think words said 50 years ago is relevant to today.
Secondly, joining a terrorist group and supporting their crimes is a crime and frankly, deserved to have their citizenship revoked. Disavow our way of life and our values, the door is there…
"I think this person is responsible for their actions at 15"
"I think this person is not responsible for their actions at 15"
Brighton Sky Blue
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Out of interest, what is the expiry date on something not mattering anymore?Really?! This is your argument?
Firstly, taking the allegations at face value, no one is really saying Farage didn’t know what he was doing. They just don’t think words said 50 years ago is relevant to today.
Secondly, joining a terrorist group and supporting their crimes is a crime and frankly, deserved to have their citizenship revoked. Disavow our way of life and our values, the door is there…
Really?! This is your argument?
Firstly, taking the allegations at face value, no one is really saying Farage didn’t know what he was doing. They just don’t think words said 50 years ago is relevant to today.
Secondly, joining a terrorist group and supporting their crimes is a crime and frankly, deserved to have their citizenship revoked. Disavow our way of life and our values, the door is there…
You and Grendel seem to be missing the point quite spectacularly.
I'm clearly not comparing their actions and I haven't said Begum shouldn't have citizenship revoked.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Deeply misleading question because you’re presuming guilt. There’s a reason we assume innocence before guilt and in this case, the claims are unverifiable and the timing of the allegations are deeply suspicious. Why now rather than 2016
If someone accused you of racism without proof, should you punished? No.
In this case, even if the allegations could be proven, there’s an acknowledgement that what was said 50 years ago as a minor isn’t reflective of someone’s views today.
To make a more general point, should you, I or anyone be judged for things we said in the past or thought in decades to come? Even if those things that were acceptable today become dated in the future…
Mucca Mad Boys
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No, I’m afraid the pot is calling the kettle black. Your initial input compared to Farage allegedly saying horrible things to Begum doing illegal things. This comparison was deliberate even if it was implicit.
Which is a stupid moral imposition because Farage didn’t do anything illegal (deeply unpleasant if proven) whereas Begum did.