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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (29 Viewers)

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Grendel

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  • Today at 4:36 PM
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Pete may be sniggering but Reeves is viewed as a disaster - no business big or small has any confidence in her whatsoever- she is pitifully out of her depth
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:40 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not at all, far from breaking up the Union, Brexit was implicitly saved it. The nationalists in Scotland and Wales can’t credibly argue that they’ll join the EU because that would mean hard borders with England. Which is just not realistic.

NI will probably be lost, with or without Brexit.
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It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.

All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 4:41 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.

All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.
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Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:42 PM
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Grendel said:
Of course one thing is for certain. If Sir Anthony Charles Lynton Blair was PM he’d be sucking up to The Donald like no tomorrow.

You only have to look how he dribbled over George Dubya Bush to agree with that. Two brain cells meet and unite.
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Do you think using his full name somehow makes him a better or worse politician? We can play the same game with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and George Gideon Oliver Osborne if you wish.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:42 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you think using his full name somehow makes him a better or worse politician? We can play the same game with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson if you wish.
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I did two posts above?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:47 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
It pulled NI and Scotland out of the EU against their wishes and has dragged NI in particular through the ringer. I'd argue that if British governments generally gave more of a shit about NI then it would probably remain for the foreseeable future, but that's a separate issue.

All Brexit has done is have more small c conservative voters in England drag half of the home nations out of Europe against their will. It was a gift wrapped present for Sinn Fein and the SNP in particular. One of the big arguments leading to the Scottish referendum was that independence would take Scotland out of Europe and it'd have to reapply. It wasn't the argument I preferred to use on the doorstep but it was one we were encouraged to go with. Then 2 years later it's dragged out anyway when it voted strongly in favour of remaining.
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The Brexit debate must of course be very conflicted for you
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:48 PM
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Grendel said:
Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?
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By percentages the SNP usually collect about half of the Scottish vote, but 62% voted to remain in the EU. My wife's constituency was one of the highest Leave-voting areas in Scotland but still didn't get more than half even there.

It is fair to say however that the SNP's traditional heartlands pretty much all kicked them out over their Brexit stance. Some recovery since.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:53 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
By percentages the SNP usually collect about half of the Scottish vote, but 62% voted to remain in the EU. My wife's constituency was one of the highest Leave-voting areas in Scotland but still didn't get more than half even there.

It is fair to say however that the SNP's traditional heartlands pretty much all kicked them out over their Brexit stance. Some recovery since.
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That’s not what I asked?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:59 PM
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Grendel said:
That’s not what I asked?
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For the 2017 election about 40,000 fewer votes for the SNP than Brexit in 2016. When you compare the 2015 election, there were about 450,000 more votes for the SNP than Brexit 2016.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:25 PM
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Grendel said:
Pete may be sniggering but Reeves is viewed as a disaster - no business big or small has any confidence in her whatsoever- she is pitifully out of her depth
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Not sniggering just smile emoticon
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 5:26 PM
  • #58,671
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not sniggering just smile emoticon
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She is the big problem and needs to go.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • 55 minutes ago
  • #58,672
Grendel said:
Didn’t more Scottish people vote to leave the EU than voted for the SNP?
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There's more options in elections and lower turnout.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • 31 minutes ago
  • #58,673
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There's more options in elections and lower turnout.
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In 2015 450,000 more voted for the SNP anyway. Hence he’s gone a bit quiet
 

Grendel

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  • 23 minutes ago
  • #58,674
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In 2015 450,000 more voted for the SNP anyway. Hence he’s gone a bit quiet
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Surely it would have strengthened post then not gone down?
 
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