Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
The true measure of our character is how we treat the poor, the disfavored, the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned.
That’s what government could be but I think Grendel and someone else is right it can’t so I should probably grow up and accept any change I want to see starts with meThe true measure of our character is how we treat the poor, the disfavored, the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned.
The full talkThat’s what government could be but I think Grendel and someone else is right it can’t so I should probably grow up and accept any change I want to see starts with me
No the true measure of our character is how we treat everyone.The true measure of our character is how we treat the poor, the disfavored, the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned.
Fair crack
Conservatives 14 years
Labour 10 months
Lol
No the true measure of our character is how we treat everyone.
Measure of truth in thatNo the true measure of our character is how we treat everyone.
Or it is annoyance at the damage the greed of the wealthy does. Already have loads, causing problems for billions of people worldwide not to mention every other living being, yet still want more.Exactly. Middle class socialists / social democrats can be some of the most envious people I’ve come across. I had the pleasure of sharing a politics seminar with a Labour Counsellor at uni. That person didn’t care about addressing the ills of the working class but was driven by envy of rich.
Or it is annoyance at the damage the greed of the wealthy does. Already have loads, causing problems for billions of people worldwide not to mention every other living being, yet still want more.
It really isn't envy. That's suggests we want to be like them. We REALLY don't.
Fair crack
Conservatives 14 years
Labour 10 months
Lol
Yeah, whether you like them or not and whether you think they're doing a good job or not is subjective.
But to say they've had a fair crack of the whip is nuts.
Unfortunately tor you, the electorate disagrees pretty strongly.
Doesn't make it correct though. They clearly haven't had a fair crack of the whip yet - as Pete points out it's 10 months vs 14 years.
Agreed. Labour will win this election purely because the public have had enough of the Tories. In my view, a lot of people are going to be disappointed.
Rachel Reeves is an ex-banker, she will not deviate from the orthodoxy at the OBR. The same orthodoxy that’s led to low growth, soaring asset prices and wage stagnation.
There will be tax increases this parliament and without a plan to cut public expenditure it’ll be a perpetual cycle.
If Labour squander this parliament, they could face a real challenge from the left (Greens) at the next election just as Reform is challenging the tories. We’re fed up with politicians delivering the same policies and continually failing.
Whatever people’s views on Brexit, the 2016 referendum was supposed to reset our political system. That is yet to happen.
By definition, the electorate is correct.
The public are generally fed with the traditional parties. Labour landslide was a loveless marriage (their vote share was lower than under Corbyn) and the early blunders in government has soured public opinion against them further. What didn’t help is that on the campaign trail, Labour didn’t articulate that ‘unpopular decisions’ had to be made and the public can smell BS when Labour said they didn’t know the public finances were in such a bad state (the info was publically available).
Labour isn’t cut out to navigate the country through its biggest challenges. Too committed to legalism to address concerns over immigration and too committed to the ‘OBR’ economic status quo hence Reeves has made some terrible policy choices as Chancellor.
Without tooting my own horn, I’ll leave a comment I left in June 2024:
Average life expectancy in the USA in 1950 was 68, by 1990 it was 74The tone of this post alone tells me you’re driven by hatred/envy of the rich than concern for the poor.
Free market capitalism has lead to the largest expansion of living standards. Like you, I agree capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others.
Could say the same about any of the parties.These local councillors that have been elected for Reform up and down the country haven't got a clue what they are doing.
They are not serious people with serious policies.
‘Special’ council meeting called for flag debate
It will be the first meeting of the new cabinetwww.leicestermercury.co.uk
Reform UK struggles to find friends to share council power
Newbie councillors are navigating how to deal with other parties on councils in no overall control.www.bbc.co.uk
The electorate elected Labour with a massive landslide. The rest of your post is just you claiming to be right.
Could say the same about any of the parties.
You can’t Nick come on thats gove level of we don’t need expert shitCould say the same about any of the parties.
You can’t Nick come on thats gove level of we don’t need expert shit
I am sure the same was said about Labour and the Greens when they first achieved electoral sucesses. So what nearly all politicians are bad for us, a despicable, interfering class.These local councillors that have been elected for Reform up and down the country haven't got a clue what they are doing.
They are not serious people with serious policies.
‘Special’ council meeting called for flag debate
It will be the first meeting of the new cabinetwww.leicestermercury.co.uk
Reform UK struggles to find friends to share council power
Newbie councillors are navigating how to deal with other parties on councils in no overall control.www.bbc.co.uk
I am sure the same was said about Labour and the Greens when they first achieved electoral sucesses. So what nearly all politicians are bad for us, a despicable, interfering class.
I am sure the same was said about Labour and the Greens when they first achieved electoral sucesses. So what nearly all politicians are bad for us, a despicable, interfering class.
Except we don’t live in a pure free market capitalist society, we live in a social democracy. The question is not whether or not to have socialism in our society, it’s about how much.The tone of this post alone tells me you’re driven by hatred/envy of the rich than concern for the poor.
Free market capitalism has lead to the largest expansion of living standards. Like you, I agree capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others.
Now this I do agree with and count myself in that category also. I just fail to see a viable alternative.The electorate want to punish Labour and the Tories.
You can’t Nick come on thats gove level of we don’t need expert shit
Now this I do agree with and count myself in that category also. I just fail to see a viable alternative.
Councillors are naturally one of the lowest calibre of politician out there, and obviously the list of failures is long, but the mentality of ‘they’re all as bad as each other’ is such a lazy and cynical view of the world. Seeking untested alternatives for the sake of it is no guarantee of success.
No point then fuck everythingYou really can. It's really easy to notice and point out when you aren't emotionally attached to any party.
What's that got to do with what I said?No point then fuck everything
I flipped to the Greens locally, but nationally I don’t trust them. Old Labour is what you describe in the second half of your post.If Labour lurches to the right to fend off Reform, it risks exposing its left flank to the Lib Dems and/or Greens. As of this moment, it is a remote possibility, but so too was Reform supplanting the Tories was the dominant right wing party.
I have quite a few mates who have flipped to the Greens already. Iirc, you’ve done the same or at least considering it?
A ‘Blue Labour’ policy prospectus would probably do v well electorally. Economic left wing populism and socially conservative (particularly on immigration) would go down quite well. Even 52% of Green voters support deportation of violent criminals and that raises to 65% where sexual crimes are involved and this is by far the most liberal party on this issue.
Not this again. 35% of the popular vote is lowest vote share for winning party in living memory. Reform’s vote share cost the Tories around 90-100 seats, allowing Labour to sneak through with a small majority. Examples of this include the High profile Tories who lost their seats such as Rees-Mogg, Penny Mordaunt and Liz Truss.
OK and when “vote share” is a thing in general elections I’ll care. Meanwhile Labour won a massive landslide.
If you want the arguments just look back to 2017 and 19 and look for replies to Fernandos posts.
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