Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

The true measure of our character is how we treat the poor, the disfavored, the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

The true measure of our character is how we treat the poor, the disfavored, the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned.

That’s what government could be but I think Grendel and someone else is right it can’t so I should probably grow up and accept any change I want to see starts with me

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That’s what government could be but I think Grendel and someone else is right it can’t so I should probably grow up and accept any change I want to see starts with me

The full talk

https://sdsuwriting.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/140494602/Stevenson%20TED%20Need%20Talk%20About%20an%20Injustice.pdf

 

[tisza]

The true measure of our character is how we treat the poor, the disfavored, the accused, the incarcerated, and the condemned.

No the true measure of our character is how we treat everyone.

 

[shmmeee]

Fair crack
Conservatives 14 years
Labour 10 months
Lol

BALANCE

 

[shmmeee]

No the true measure of our character is how we treat everyone.

That’s the same thing.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No the true measure of our character is how we treat everyone.

Measure of truth in that

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Exactly. Middle class socialists / social democrats can be some of the most envious people I’ve come across. I had the pleasure of sharing a politics seminar with a Labour Counsellor at uni. That person didn’t care about addressing the ills of the working class but was driven by envy of rich.

Or it is annoyance at the damage the greed of the wealthy does. Already have loads, causing problems for billions of people worldwide not to mention every other living being, yet still want more.

It really isn't envy. That's suggests we want to be like them. We REALLY don't.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Or it is annoyance at the damage the greed of the wealthy does. Already have loads, causing problems for billions of people worldwide not to mention every other living being, yet still want more.

It really isn't envy. That's suggests we want to be like them. We REALLY don't.

The tone of this post alone tells me you’re driven by hatred/envy of the rich than concern for the poor.

Free market capitalism has lead to the largest expansion of living standards. Like you, I agree capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others.

 

[PVA]

Fair crack
Conservatives 14 years
Labour 10 months
Lol

Yeah, whether you like them or not and whether you think they're doing a good job or not is subjective.

But to say they've had a fair crack of the whip is nuts.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yeah, whether you like them or not and whether you think they're doing a good job or not is subjective.

But to say they've had a fair crack of the whip is nuts.

Unfortunately tor you, the electorate disagrees pretty strongly.

 

[PVA]

Unfortunately tor you, the electorate disagrees pretty strongly.

Doesn't make it correct though. They clearly haven't had a fair crack of the whip yet - as Pete points out it's 10 months vs 14 years.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Doesn't make it correct though. They clearly haven't had a fair crack of the whip yet - as Pete points out it's 10 months vs 14 years.

By definition, the electorate is correct.

The public are generally fed with the traditional parties. Labour landslide was a loveless marriage (their vote share was lower than under Corbyn) and the early blunders in government has soured public opinion against them further. What didn’t help is that on the campaign trail, Labour didn’t articulate that ‘unpopular decisions’ had to be made and the public can smell BS when Labour said they didn’t know the public finances were in such a bad state (the info was publically available).

Labour isn’t cut out to navigate the country through its biggest challenges. Too committed to legalism to address concerns over immigration and too committed to the ‘OBR’ economic status quo hence Reeves has made some terrible policy choices as Chancellor.

Without tooting my own horn, I’ll leave a comment I left in June 2024:

Agreed. Labour will win this election purely because the public have had enough of the Tories. In my view, a lot of people are going to be disappointed.

Rachel Reeves is an ex-banker, she will not deviate from the orthodoxy at the OBR. The same orthodoxy that’s led to low growth, soaring asset prices and wage stagnation.

There will be tax increases this parliament and without a plan to cut public expenditure it’ll be a perpetual cycle.

If Labour squander this parliament, they could face a real challenge from the left (Greens) at the next election just as Reform is challenging the tories. We’re fed up with politicians delivering the same policies and continually failing.

Whatever people’s views on Brexit, the 2016 referendum was supposed to reset our political system. That is yet to happen.

 

[shmmeee]

By definition, the electorate is correct.

The public are generally fed with the traditional parties. Labour landslide was a loveless marriage (their vote share was lower than under Corbyn) and the early blunders in government has soured public opinion against them further. What didn’t help is that on the campaign trail, Labour didn’t articulate that ‘unpopular decisions’ had to be made and the public can smell BS when Labour said they didn’t know the public finances were in such a bad state (the info was publically available).

Labour isn’t cut out to navigate the country through its biggest challenges. Too committed to legalism to address concerns over immigration and too committed to the ‘OBR’ economic status quo hence Reeves has made some terrible policy choices as Chancellor.

Without tooting my own horn, I’ll leave a comment I left in June 2024:

The electorate elected Labour with a massive landslide. The rest of your post is just you claiming to be right.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The tone of this post alone tells me you’re driven by hatred/envy of the rich than concern for the poor.

Free market capitalism has lead to the largest expansion of living standards. Like you, I agree capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others.

Average life expectancy in the USA in 1950 was 68, by 1990 it was 74

In Russia in 1950 it was 50.2 and was 69 in 1990

It Russia it declined after 1990 and only recovered to 1990 levels 25 years later