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MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 3:01 PM
  • #50,646
chiefdave said:
This. On a good week I do an equivalent of an extra days work a week without a single penny more in pay. On a bad week it's far more than that.

In terms of a new parent going back to work it's far more than just you're £200 a week better off working. You're no longer spending time, and raising, your newborn. I'm sure many new parents would look at the figures and think that for the sake of £200 they'd rather raise their child themselves.

And as Malc is talking about people of his generation and what they did how common was it for both parents to be working full time within a few months of having a baby? I'd say not that common.
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Am I not allowed to talk about my experience? Denied free speech? Censorship because it doesn't fit with your world view?
 

MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 3:03 PM
  • #50,647
chiefdave said:
This all sounds very familiar. I get the idea of what Marty says but for me at least it's easier said than done. I've found it's not a problem at a particular company but in the wider working world. Having moved jobs twice nothing has improved.

Had people say to quit work or move to something less stressful for health reasons but how do you do that on a practical level. I wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage if I took a £5K pay cut let alone a £20K one!

I started work in the mid-90s and it was so different. Was never expected to work over my hours without overtime, or at the very least TOIL, got a pay rise pretty much every year, bonuses whenever the company I was working for at any particular time was doing well, a decent amount of annual leave and random other benefits.

Compare that to now, on a daily basis working extra unpaid hours, annual leave the minimum they can legally get away with, no benefits to the point that being able to park or pay the legally required minimum pension contribution are listed on job ads.

And if you say you want anything better you're branded lazy and not prepared to put in the work that previous generations did.
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What's caused the changes you have observed over the past 30 years?
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 3:08 PM
  • #50,648
MalcSB said:
Am I not allowed to talk about my experience? Denied free speech? Censorship because it doesn't fit with your world view?
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Why are you consistently moaning about being censored on here before it’s even happened?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 3:18 PM
  • #50,649
The Philosopher said:
Tough words. Unfortunately the ECHR will enforce the repeated appeals delay and defer method of avoiding deportation.

With nearly ONE MILLION largely unvetted, mainly unskilled, mainly men (more likely to commit violent crimes, us men) coming in each year with automatic rights to healthcare, housing, legal representation and spending money this country of ours is pinned into a downward spiral.

Not blaming Labour, us Tories spoke tough but did nothing really so as not to offend potential “moderate” voters.

In the meantime we are losing millionaires to foreign countries (less tax income) at an alarming rate so “tax the rich more” (to essentially pay for being kind to migrants) isn’t gonna fly.

Anyway, I’ve French residency (hypocrite such as I am) plus Spanish and my OCI from my family being born in India. Pondicherry is beautiful and developing nicely. I’m inclined to say “f-it and leave the lefty fools to stew in what they’ve made here”. Feel sorry for their kids who will have huge debt to carry and a ruined country.
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Can you explain how the ECHR can stop a sovereign government from changing its laws?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 3:21 PM
  • #50,650
I don't understand the proposed change to ten years from five years for a immigrant to get settled status. What's the logic behind it?
 

The Philosopher

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  • Yesterday at 3:29 PM
  • #50,651
fernandopartridge said:
Can you explain how the ECHR can stop a sovereign government from changing its laws?
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So you are saying it’s fine for the UK to break the Convention rules and still be part of the membership group?

How would that work?

Evidence?
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 3:30 PM
  • #50,652
MalcSB said:
That was a direct response to a post from someone who would get paid for extra hours. My assumption is not totally wrong. Why the fuck don't people actually read (a) what is said and (b) to what it was said. Fucking lazy.

I too was paid an annual wage and basically did not get paid overtime. Covid was the biggest rip off.

On call was a separate issue.

Or does wealth go up as number of children goes down? Saves about 10k per child per annum?
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OK Malc so if I cant afford to have a child, how do you suppose I earn the extra money?
 

Evo1883

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  • Yesterday at 3:41 PM
  • #50,653
MalcSB said:
Of course you would think that.
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Why ? What does that mean
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 3:43 PM
  • #50,654
Evo1883 said:
Why ? What does that mean
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cus you are a wokey lefty liberal soy snowflake evo thats why!!!

edit: Forgot cuck too!!
 

Evo1883

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  • Yesterday at 3:45 PM
  • #50,655
Ccfcisparks said:
cus you are a wokey lefty liberal soy snowflake evo thats why!!!

edit: Forgot cuck too!!
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I've stated quite clearly is think immigration needs addressing , and people like malc want it to be addressed too and if Boris Johnson or Farage came out with that speech today people like malc would hold a different view on how good it sounded im sure .

Its literally an action plan , one which we never got from the previous shite
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 3:46 PM
  • #50,656
Evo1883 said:
I've stated quite clearly is think immigration needs addressing , and people like malc want it to be addressed too and if Boris Johnson or garage came out with that speech today people like malc would hold a different view on how good it sounded im sure .

Its literally an action plan , one which we never got from the previous shite
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Yep exactly. Its literally what Malc and Philosopher have been calling for. But because its come from a certain mouthpiece they don't like it.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Yesterday at 3:47 PM
  • #50,657
Ccfcisparks said:
Yep exactly. Its literally what Malc and Philosopher have been calling for. But because its come from a certain mouthpiece they don't like it.
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The same mouthpiece thats getting us trade deals with superpowers and actually acting on brexit , that they also wanted too .

Weird to me but thats life
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 3:48 PM
  • #50,658
Evo1883 said:
The same mouthpiece thats getting us trade deals with superpowers and actually acting on brexit , that they also wanted too .

Weird to me but thats life
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Problem is some people remain loyal to a party regardless of their policies or actions. Their loyalty is more like supporting a football team.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Yesterday at 3:51 PM
  • #50,659
Ccfcisparks said:
Problem is some people remain loyal to a party regardless of their policies or actions. Their loyalty is more like supporting a football team.
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Farage will stop the boats and whack a union jack on a public building though
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 3:52 PM
  • #50,660
Evo1883 said:
Farage will stop the boats and whack a union jack on a public building though
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I think half of them fully expect we will be shooting the dinghy's as they come across if he gets in. Its astounding.
 

The Philosopher

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  • Yesterday at 3:54 PM
  • #50,661
Evo1883 said:
The same mouthpiece thats getting us trade deals with superpowers and actually acting on brexit , that they also wanted too .

Weird to me but thats life
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Starmer spent years trying to overturn Brexit. The US trade deal was impossible without Brexit. The bloke is a duplicitous charlatan.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 3:54 PM
  • #50,662
The Philosopher said:
Starmer spent years trying to overturn Brexit. The US trade deal was impossible without Brexit. The bloke is a duplicitous charlatan.
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Yeah but his immigration speech this morning was good and seems a good plan correct?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 3:55 PM
  • #50,663
SBT said:
Why are you consistently moaning about being censored on here before it’s even happened?
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Show me the consistency? It just occurred to me how many posters can bemoan their lot but seem to begrudge me commenting on my experience. After the particular event but, to me, attempts to intimidate me in to silence
Evo1883 said:
I've stated quite clearly is think immigration needs addressing , and people like malc want it to be addressed too and if Boris Johnson or Farage came out with that speech today people like malc would hold a different view on how good it sounded im sure .

Its literally an action plan , one which we never got from the previous shite
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isnt doubling eligibility time almost literally an inaction plan?
And denying it’s a response to Reform is disingenuous at best.
Bring back Rwanda.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 3:55 PM
  • #50,664
The Philosopher said:
Starmer spent years trying to overturn Brexit. The US trade deal was impossible without Brexit. The bloke is a duplicitous charlatan.
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So you think Starmer should have held off on repairing trade relations with our largest single trading partner until he’d successfully re-admitted us into the EU? In the name of not being “duplicitous”?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Yesterday at 3:55 PM
  • #50,665
The Philosopher said:
Starmer spent years trying to overturn Brexit. The US trade deal was impossible without Brexit. The bloke is a duplicitous charlatan.
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Wanting something and acting on something are 2 entirely different things.

Was he better to not negotiate the deal which im sure would have bothered you too
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 3:56 PM
  • #50,666
MalcSB said:
Show me the consistency? It just occurred to me how many posters can bemoan their lot but seem to begrudge me commenting on my experience. After the particular event but, to me, attempts to intimidate me in to silence

isnt doubling eligibility time almost literally an inaction plan?
And denying it’s a response to Reform is disingenuous at best.
Bring back Rwanda.
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Rwanda , the raging tory success story
 
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MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 3:57 PM
  • #50,667
The Philosopher said:
Starmer spent years trying to overturn Brexit. The US trade deal was impossible without Brexit. The bloke is a duplicitous charlatan.
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Trump had second thoughts, needed Starmer (any UK PM would have done) as his straight man
 

MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 3:58 PM
  • #50,668
Evo1883 said:
Rwanda , the raging tory success story
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Cut off by Labour before it could be tested at scale. In case it turned out to be a raging success which would have totally stuffed the new government.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 3:58 PM
  • #50,669
MalcSB said:
Show me the consistency? It just occurred to me how many posters can bemoan their lot but seem to begrudge me commenting on my experience. After the particular event but, to me, attempts to intimidate me in to silence
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You also moaned here about somehow not being “entitled to your opinion”.

Trust me when I say that no-one has any expectation that you’re going to be silent anytime soon.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 3:59 PM
  • #50,670
Had farage negotiate the exact same deal , im sure we'd need a plug youd be gushing that much
 
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MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 4:00 PM
  • #50,671
Evo1883 said:
Had farage negotiate the exact same deal , im sure we'd need a plug youd be gushing that much
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I’m actually not in the least interested in Reform And Farage.

Do you honestly think Starmer negotiated anything?
 

Evo1883

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  • Yesterday at 4:01 PM
  • #50,672
MalcSB said:
I’m actually not in the least interested in Reform And Farage.
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Which populist party is it then ?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:02 PM
  • #50,673
Evo1883 said:
Wanting something and acting on something are 2 entirely different things.

Was he better to not negotiate the deal which im sure would have bothered you too
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In fairness to The Philosopher, he openly admits he’s a Trump fan who would celebrate if the “economic viability of the UK [became] untenable” via tariffs so long as it served Starmer right.

Somehow he’s confused how this doesn’t translate to a successful election strategy for him personally, but his loyalties have always been clear.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:03 PM
  • #50,674
Evo1883 said:
Which populist party is it then ?
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Well, I’m a paying member of the Labour Party which seems pretty populist on here.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:03 PM
  • #50,675
MalcSB said:
Well, I’m a paying member of the Labour Party which seems pretty populist on here.
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that genuinely astounds me.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:09 PM
  • #50,676
Evo1883 said:
Fair speech by starmer on immigration .
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Some interesting choice of language to say the least.

Not sure about making it harder for people to come and work here in the care sector. There's well over 100K roles that are unfilled and you can't just say fill them with British workers because they aren't interested.
 

The Philosopher

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:10 PM
  • #50,677
Evo1883 said:
I've stated quite clearly is think immigration needs addressing , and people like malc want it to be addressed too and if Boris Johnson or Farage came out with that speech today people like malc would hold a different view on how good it sounded im sure .

Its literally an action plan , one which we never got from the previous shite
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“Smash the criminal gangs to stop the boats” that was the Labour pledge, right?

What have the done? Sweet FA.

This latest speech is big on sound bites but I can’t see any substance and it’ll amount to sweet FA again.

Labour logic:

Break the ECHR rules, but stay in the Convention (why?). In the meantime, the Rules must be considered but not necessarily adhered to, just considered, legally (and the costs and delays involved). It’s a clown show.

10 years before settled status rather than 5 (again, why?)

People seem to have totally forgotten the India deal last week and how that will effect immigration.

Oh, and with a reducing worker pool due to lower birth rate, what’s the plan?


Mark this message:

His talk will come to nothing and will bite him in a year.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:12 PM
  • #50,678
Ccfcisparks said:
OK Malc so if I cant afford to have a child, how do you suppose I earn the extra money?
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Get yourself a second job, I've heard Hillfields is nice in the evenings
 

The Philosopher

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  • Yesterday at 4:12 PM
  • #50,679
MalcSB said:
Well, I’m a paying member of the Labour Party which seems pretty populist on here.
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Please tell me it’s only because you paid £3 to elect Corbyn for the giggles?

(to be fair I actually grew to respect old Jezza)
 

The Philosopher

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  • Yesterday at 4:13 PM
  • #50,680
chiefdave said:
Some interesting choice of language to say the least.

Not sure about making it harder for people to come and work here in the care sector. There's well over 100K roles that are unfilled and you can't just say fill them with British workers because they aren't interested.
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Agree. Change the word “interested” to “motivated” (by alternative consequence) then you’ve nailed it.
 
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