Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Some interesting choice of language to say the least.

Not sure about making it harder for people to come and work here in the care sector. There's well over 100K roles that are unfilled and you can't just say fill them with British workers because they aren't interested.

It was blunt but sometimes thats how it needs to be , we cant carry on as we are

 

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[chiefdave]

Very uncommon meaning more financial pressure, wouldn't you have thought? Although there were tax allowances which encouraged people to have a family.

If people would rather raise their child themselves, that is an entirely reasonable personal choice for them to make. Don't whinge about it then.

What would you class as financial pressure? I have a 'better' job than my Dad but the quality of living I can afford is worse and I don't even what to think about what my retirement will be like compared to his.

The fact is having one parent at work and one parent at home was affordable then for many, certainly for far more people than it is now. My Dad purchased the house on just his salary and even at the peak of the mortgage crisis the percentage of his salary going on the mortgage was lower than mine. For me to even be considered for a mortgage on the house my Dad bought I'd need to earn 4 times my current salary.

I suspect there's a large number of people that would love to spend time raising their own children who simply can't afford it.

 

[chiefdave]

What's caused the changes you have observed over the past 30 years?

The biggest single change was when the coalition came in and implemented austerity. Overnight benefits fell away and overtime was no longer a thing.

And since then there seems to have been no real attempt to redress the balance. We've been in austerity / permacrisis ever since.

Somehow they've managed to convince a large section of the working population that this is fine and anyone asking for a pay rise or better working conditions is out of line and wants the entire economy to collapse.

 

[The Philosopher]

What would you class as financial pressure? I have a 'better' job than my Dad but the quality of living I can afford is worse and I don't even what to think about what my retirement will be like compared to his.

The fact is having one parent at work and one parent at home was affordable then for many, certainly for far more people than it is now. My Dad purchased the house on just his salary and even at the peak of the mortgage crisis the percentage of his salary going on the mortgage was lower than mine. For me to even be considered for a mortgage on the house my Dad bought I'd need to earn 4 times my current salary.

I suspect there's a large number of people that would love to spend time raising their own children who simply can't afford it.

Yes you are right.

Here’s another set of realities:

The school day (9am to about 3/3.30pm) was founded when Dad worked and Mum stayed at home.

In the manner you describe above.

Now Mum (more often but not always) has to work but is restricted from doing as many hours at work because of a cultural expectation to do the school runs. Ita vero women cite a gender pay gap.

The logical step in a to extend to school day, but this will again erode family life at the alter of being a slave to the rat race.

Debt=slavery.

 

[The Philosopher]

So you think Starmer should have held off on repairing trade relations with our largest single trading partner until he’d successfully re-admitted us into the EU? In the name of not being “duplicitous”?

Oh, man. Go for a walk to clear your head.

 

[The Philosopher]

In fairness to The Philosopher, he openly admits he’s a Trump fan who would celebrate if the “economic viability of the UK [became] untenable” via tariffs so long as it served Starmer right.

Somehow he’s confused how this doesn’t translate to a successful election strategy for him personally, but his loyalties have always been clear.

That’s good. When did I say this?

Don’t say what you can’t back up.

 

[SBT]

Oh, man. Go for a walk to clear your head.

So what’s your actual argument here? Starmer can’t engage with any post-Brexit political realities as Prime Minister because he voted Remain nine years ago?

 

[shmmeee]

That was a direct response to a post from someone who would get paid for extra hours. My assumption is not totally wrong. Why the fuck don't people actually read (a) what is said and (b) to what it was said. Fucking lazy.

I too was paid an annual wage and basically did not get paid overtime. Covid was the biggest rip off.

On call was a separate issue.

Or does wealth go up as number of children goes down? Saves about 10k per child per annum?

It doesn’t does it? There’s no way I spend almost a grand a month on my kids.

 

[SBT]

That’s good. When did I say this?

Don’t say what you can’t back up.

Here you go:

Will Trump try to get Starmer to stand down by economic sanctions? By essentially making the economic viability of the UK untenable unless a new GE is called (which I think Reform could win) it does seem a possibility. Remote, but not totally tinfoil given the current noise coming from the USA.

Now I don’t like any country bullying another country but Labour and their pompous attitude towards Trump might be getting what they deserve.

 

[The Philosopher]

Here you go:

I totally stand by that.

Trump threatened sanctions via tariffs, Starmer went over grovelling with a letter from Charles in his pocket, kissed the ring and has wound his neck in.

Trump bullied Starmer. Starmer’s pompous attitude has changed radically. Ok

 

[Grendel]

This all sounds very familiar. I get the idea of what Marty says but for me at least it's easier said than done. I've found it's not a problem at a particular company but in the wider working world. Having moved jobs twice nothing has improved.

Had people say to quit work or move to something less stressful for health reasons but how do you do that on a practical level. I wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage if I took a £5K pay cut let alone a £20K one!

I started work in the mid-90s and it was so different. Was never expected to work over my hours without overtime, or at the very least TOIL, got a pay rise pretty much every year, bonuses whenever the company I was working for at any particular time was doing well, a decent amount of annual leave and random other benefits.

Compare that to now, on a daily basis working extra unpaid hours, annual leave the minimum they can legally get away with, no benefits to the point that being able to park or pay the legally required minimum pension contribution are listed on job ads.

And if you say you want anything better you're branded lazy and not prepared to put in the work that previous generations did.

Has it really changed since the mid 90’s?

I worked then with no paid overtime - some extreme days I would go in at 7 30 am and leave at 11pm.

Management bullying was rife. We had directors shove peoples family photo on the desk in their faces and say how will you feed this lot when you are fired. One director told an underling to get him some sandwiches at lunch and then got told to go back as he hadn’t bought him any crisps.

It was off the scale then

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Has it really changed since the mid 90’s?

I worked then with no paid overtime - some extreme days I would go in at 7 30 am and leave at 11pm.

Management bullying was rife. We had directors shove peoples family photo on the desk in their faces and say how will you feed this lot when you are fired. One director told an underling to get him some sandwiches at lunch and then got told to go back as he hadn’t bought him any crisps.

It was off the scale then

Not necessarily that shocking to be honest.

 

[skybluetony176]

Cut off by Labour before it could be tested at scale. In case it turned out to be a raging success which would have totally stuffed the new government.

Malc. The tories spent £700 million hoping to deport 1000 people to Rwanda. Labour returned 24000 illegal immigrants by the end of December simply by getting on with what the Tories wouldn’t, they processed them and it didn’t cost £700 million. Rwanda was red meat for morons to a problem the tories deliberately created.

 

[MalcSB]

that genuinely astounds me.

Have been for months. Probably cost me £25 so far.

 

[The Philosopher]

Malc. The tories spent £700 million hoping to deport 1000 people to Rwanda. Labour returned 24000 illegal immigrants by the end of December simply by getting on with what the Tories wouldn’t, they processed them and it didn’t cost £700 million. Rwanda was red meat for morons to a problem the tories deliberately created.

Even the most right wing of nationalists knew that the Rwanda plan was nuts.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Have been for months. Probably cost me £25 so far.

Malc I’m waiting for you to tell me how to earn £200 a month extra so I can afford a kid

 

[Grendel]

Malc I’m waiting for you to tell me how to earn £200 a month extra so I can afford a kid

I think the figure is nonsense in reality

 

[SBT]

I totally stand by that.

Trump threatened sanctions via tariffs, Starmer went over grovelling with a letter from Charles in his pocket, kissed the ring and has wound his neck in.

Trump bullied Starmer. Starmer’s pompous attitude has changed radically. Ok

You stand by another country “making the economic viability of the UK untenable” because it’s Labour “getting what they deserve”? And you have the gall to ask British people to vote for you?

 

[mmttww]

Am I not allowed to talk about my experience?

You've posted more in this thread than anyone as far as I can see, so I'd say 'Yes'. Worth looking up what censorship means, though. Have fun ranting.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Malc. The tories spent £700 million hoping to deport 1000 people to Rwanda. Labour returned 24000 illegal immigrants by the end of December simply by getting on with what the Tories wouldn’t, they processed them and it didn’t cost £700 million. Rwanda was red meat for morons to a problem the tories deliberately created.

What's your prediction for tomorrow night Tony?