Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

[wingy]

Taking the emotion out of it all the data is on my side. Fertility rates started dropping in the sixties. Are we really saying that was peak living for everyone?

For freedom from oppression absolutely.

 

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[shmmeee]

Economically it might have been.

What metric would you like to use here? Disposable income? Average weekly wage?

Like if you’re a housing theory of everything by kind of guy it should correlate with house price to wage ratio and it doesn’t.

 

[Captain Dart]

Taking the emotion out of it all the data is on my side. Fertility rates started dropping in the sixties. Are we really saying that was peak living for everyone?

It was better than the 50's but contraceptive pills and the tendency to marry later might have had something to do with it.

I'm fairly sure their are multiple reasons, there is likely no simple explanation.

 

[shmmeee]

It was better than the 50's but contraceptive pills and the tendency to marry later might have had something to do with it.

I'm fairly sure there are multiple reasons, there is likely no simple explanation.

I mean whatever it is has to apply to all these places at once:

 

[Captain Dart]

I mean whatever it is has to apply to all these places at once:

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Some countries must have experienced a real boom in births since world population increased from 2.5 bn in 1950 to 8.2 bn now.

 

[shmmeee]

Some countries must have experienced a real boom in births since world population increased from 2.5 bn in 1950 to 8.2 bn now.

Some of the starting points are very high in Asia and Africa. Even though they’ve come below replenishment recently they were well above for decades before.

 

[shmmeee]

On a wide scale kids are insurance against old age and illness. Have lots of kids, more chance one of them grows up well off enough for you to live off when you’re old and decrepit. The better either the state looks after you or you can provide for yourself the less you need lots of kids for economic reasons and the more your life becomes about kids as self actualisation and wanting to provide a better childhood for them than you had. Which as a parent in 2025 is basically impossible. I earn way more than my parents ever did and couldn’t dream of giving my kids the upbringing I had. I think that’s what people like BSB are referencing. But to say it’s impossible or you have to put your kids into poverty is just hyperbolic nonsense. Plenty of people raise kids perfectly well on meagre salaries.

 

[wingy]

The early sixties it was booming for us new car's furniture op, one of 4 at the time,and increased to seven by decades end,bet my dad wasn't on.much more than £20-22.Masseys.in around 62, Irish immigrant married local girl , incentives to start a family.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On a wide scale kids are insurance against old age and illness. Have lots of kids, more chance one of them grows up well off enough for you to live off when you’re old and decrepit. The better either the state looks after you or you can provide for yourself the less you need lots of kids for economic reasons and the more your life becomes about kids as self actualisation and wanting to provide a better childhood for them than you had. Which as a parent in 2025 is basically impossible. I earn way more than my parents ever did and couldn’t dream of giving my kids the upbringing I had. I think that’s what people like BSB are referencing. But to say it’s impossible or you have to put your kids into poverty is just hyperbolic nonsense. Plenty of people raise kids perfectly well on meagre salaries.

It isn’t what I’m referencing at all.

 

[fernandopartridge]

What metric would you like to use here? Disposable income? Average weekly wage?

Like if you’re a housing theory of everything by kind of guy it should correlate with house price to wage ratio and it doesn’t.

Income distribution was far more equal in the late 60s than it is today

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Income distribution was far more equal in the late 60s than it is today

Massively and a desire to limit it too
Blair 1997 changed all that really

 

[fernandopartridge]

Massively and a desire to limit it too
Blair 1997 changed all that really

Thatcher changed it and Blair built on it. Income inequality was highest by Thatcher's last year and highest under Brown by 2007/08.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Thatcher changed it and Blair built on it. Income inequality was highest by Thatcher's last year and highest under Brown by 2007/08.

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Thanks for challenging my prejudice with facts

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s important to logic-line through the probability / possibility scenarios.

Worst case:

An oversupply of houses would be an absolute economic disaster, declining birth rate, declining population, reduced demand for housing, house prices fall to a level less than equity (ie negative equity) / debt / mass bankruptcy and repossession, government having to step in - the consequences that follow. Nightmare fuel for the UK economy (so reliant on saddling humans with debt that they are obliged to pay in order to live) is if we have a house price crash to the extent that humans just go bankrupt and demand social housing and the civil unrest that would ensue in such a scenario.

“Build more houses” is a shallow conclusion.

Go to Tile Hill and Canley, see the prefab houses thrown up after the second war. We could do the same quickly and easily if we really wanted to; there are reasons why we don’t.

Never underestimate how politicians are controlled by financiers and foreign lobbyists.

So basically people that can't get a home can go fuck themselves because some financial institutions might not make money as quickly.

 

[The Philosopher]

So basically people that can't get a home can go fuck themselves because some financial institutions might not make money as quickly.

That’s the harsh reality of how our nation is controlled. A select few believe that they have the divine right to lord it over the little people.

 

[Captain Dart]

That’s the harsh reality of how our nation is controlled. A select few believe that they have the divine right to lord it over the little people.

This is quite an interesting thread on Japan's solution to redevelopment.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

UK-US trade deal good for West Midlands firms, say experts

The West Midlands-based car manufacturer welcomed the news of reduced tariffs on exports to the US.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sick Boy]

What a load of shit.

Holidays and weekends away are the new avocado on toast and iPhones.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Holidays and weekends away are the new avocado on toast and iPhones.

They say a child from 0-18 costs near £200k. Most people are struggling to cover bills, let alone go on holidays.

 

[shmmeee]

They say a child from 0-18 costs near £200k. Most people are struggling to cover bills, let alone go on holidays.

“They” might say that but use your eyes it’s clearly bollocks.

 

[Evo1883]

 

[Captain Dart]

Jenrick's counter below, the CPS have reworded the charge but I have not heard what the new wording is.

 

[Nick]

Lock him up for 27 years.

 

[mmttww]

Maga criticises the first American pope as not 'America First'

Pope Leo XIV has expressed support for immigrants and criticism of JD Vance. Donald Trump's supporters aren't happy.

www.bbc.co.uk

almost gotta admire the arrogance and entitlement. TL;DR version seems to be that Bannon thinks the Pope should be chosen based on how aligned they are with the US administration's platform. Mad stuff.

 

[Sick Boy]

Maga criticises the first American pope as not 'America First'

Pope Leo XIV has expressed support for immigrants and criticism of JD Vance. Donald Trump's supporters aren't happy.

www.bbc.co.uk

almost gotta admire the arrogance and entitlement. TL;DR version seems to be that Bannon thinks the Pope should be chosen based on how aligned they are with the US administration's platform. Mad stuff.

Bannon is an actual nazi tramp.

 

[shmmeee]

Labour immigration crackdown with powers to deport foreign nationals

EXCLUSIVE: Under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper 's plans, the Home Office will be told of all foreign nationals convicted of any offence, while officials will be given wider powers to remove them from the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Some of the stuff in here seems genuinely insane it wasn’t already law.

 

[MalcSB]

They say a child from 0-18 costs near £200k. Most people are struggling to cover bills, let alone go on holidays.

And yet there seems to be reasonable numbers of people who don’t see the point of doing additional hours for £200 net a month after the child care costs. Wouldn’t £200 make quite a difference. I’ve worked additional hours, on call mainly, paying a marginal tax rate of 60%. A lot of hours for not much cash in my pocket, but every little helps to get the extras. And then my generation gets ripped to pieces because we had it all so easy. I find that personally insulting and disgusting.

I’m also sick of being told what I can think or say about all manner of things. Thinking should be my personal preserve.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Labour immigration crackdown with powers to deport foreign nationals

EXCLUSIVE: Under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper 's plans, the Home Office will be told of all foreign nationals convicted of any offence, while officials will be given wider powers to remove them from the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Some of the stuff in here seems genuinely insane it wasn’t already law.

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Although some of the stuff written about migrants and ayslum seekers is horrific, you would think stuff like 'commit a serious crime and you lose the right to stay' makes perfect sense. Wouldn't be that many people who'd consider that unreasonable.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

And yet there seems to be reasonable numbers of people who don’t see the point of doing additional hours for £200 net a month after the child care costs. Wouldn’t £200 make quite a difference. I’ve worked additional hours, on call mainly, paying a marginal tax rate of 60%. A lot of hours for not much cash in my pocket, but every little helps to get the extras. And then my generation gets ripped to pieces because we had it all so easy. I find that personally insulting and disgusting.

I’m also sick of being told what I can think or say about all manner of things. Thinking should be my personal preserve.

It depends. How many extra hours would it be? Would it leave you exhausted and badly affect your mental health and therefore your relationships? It's not as simple as more money = good.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

And yet there seems to be reasonable numbers of people who don’t see the point of doing additional hours for £200 net a month after the child care costs. Wouldn’t £200 make quite a difference. I’ve worked additional hours, on call mainly, paying a marginal tax rate of 60%. A lot of hours for not much cash in my pocket, but every little helps to get the extras. And then my generation gets ripped to pieces because we had it all so easy. I find that personally insulting and disgusting.

I’m also sick of being told what I can think or say about all manner of things. Thinking should be my personal preserve.

You assume people get paid for extra hours. I’m paid an annual wage and don’t get paid for extra hours. Your assumption is totally wrong.

 

[The Philosopher]

Labour immigration crackdown with powers to deport foreign nationals

EXCLUSIVE: Under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper 's plans, the Home Office will be told of all foreign nationals convicted of any offence, while officials will be given wider powers to remove them from the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Some of the stuff in here seems genuinely insane it wasn’t already law.

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Tough words. Unfortunately the ECHR will enforce the repeated appeals delay and defer method of avoiding deportation.

With nearly ONE MILLION largely unvetted, mainly unskilled, mainly men (more likely to commit violent crimes, us men) coming in each year with automatic rights to healthcare, housing, legal representation and spending money this country of ours is pinned into a downward spiral.

Not blaming Labour, us Tories spoke tough but did nothing really so as not to offend potential “moderate” voters.

In the meantime we are losing millionaires to foreign countries (less tax income) at an alarming rate so “tax the rich more” (to essentially pay for being kind to migrants) isn’t gonna fly.

Anyway, I’ve French residency (hypocrite such as I am) plus Spanish and my OCI from my family being born in India. Pondicherry is beautiful and developing nicely. I’m inclined to say “f-it and leave the lefty fools to stew in what they’ve made here”. Feel sorry for their kids who will have huge debt to carry and a ruined country.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Tough words. Unfortunately the ECHR will enforce the repeated appeals delay and defer method of avoiding deportation.

With nearly ONE MILLION largely unvetted, mainly unskilled, mainly men (more likely to commit violent crimes, us men) coming in each year with automatic rights to healthcare, housing, legal representation and spending money this country of ours is pinned into a downward spiral.

Not blaming Labour, us Tories spoke tough but did nothing really so as not to offend potential “moderate” voters.

In the meantime we are losing millionaires to foreign countries (less tax income) at an alarming rate so “tax the rich more” (to essentially pay for being kind to migrants) isn’t gonna fly.

Anyway, I’ve French residency (hypocrite such as I am) plus Spanish and my OCI from my family being born in India. Pondicherry is beautiful and developing nicely. I’m inclined to say “f-it and leave the lefty fools to stew in what they’ve made here”. Feel sorry for their kids who will have huge debt to carry and a ruined country.

Do it then

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Labour immigration crackdown with powers to deport foreign nationals

EXCLUSIVE: Under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper 's plans, the Home Office will be told of all foreign nationals convicted of any offence, while officials will be given wider powers to remove them from the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Some of the stuff in here seems genuinely insane it wasn’t already law.

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I can see why but they seem steps that would receive universal support

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And yet there seems to be reasonable numbers of people who don’t see the point of doing additional hours for £200 net a month after the child care costs. Wouldn’t £200 make quite a difference. I’ve worked additional hours, on call mainly, paying a marginal tax rate of 60%. A lot of hours for not much cash in my pocket, but every little helps to get the extras. And then my generation gets ripped to pieces because we had it all so easy. I find that personally insulting and disgusting.

I’m also sick of being told what I can think or say about all manner of things. Thinking should be my personal preserve.

I suppose where we fail is in thinking that everyone has to have our opinions or agree with us or that our opinions can’t be disagreed with

That might be just the arrogant me of course

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tough words. Unfortunately the ECHR will enforce the repeated appeals delay and defer method of avoiding deportation.

With nearly ONE MILLION largely unvetted, mainly unskilled, mainly men (more likely to commit violent crimes, us men) coming in each year with automatic rights to healthcare, housing, legal representation and spending money this country of ours is pinned into a downward spiral.

Not blaming Labour, us Tories spoke tough but did nothing really so as not to offend potential “moderate” voters.

In the meantime we are losing millionaires to foreign countries (less tax income) at an alarming rate so “tax the rich more” (to essentially pay for being kind to migrants) isn’t gonna fly.

Anyway, I’ve French residency (hypocrite such as I am) plus Spanish and my OCI from my family being born in India. Pondicherry is beautiful and developing nicely. I’m inclined to say “f-it and leave the lefty fools to stew in what they’ve made here”. Feel sorry for their kids who will have huge debt to carry and a ruined country.

What’s the 1 million figure?
where’s that from and why are they undocumented