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Damien Collins MP to mention City in parliament (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Mar 18, 2014
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #36
Chipfat said:
Move out the way council?? what and give SISU control of a city asset, i don't trust them to run the club never mind give them more connection to our city.. They can't be trusted and if they have not shown this over the last 8 years you will never see wrong in how these people are allowed to carry on the distruction of the club.. I do agree the council should not be involved in the club but maybe they are the only ones who are strong enough to stand up against SISU who have no regard for our club, city or its people..

Secondly the council paid for the stadium and surely have as much right as anyone to ask the market price for it not 7mill as priced by SISU, because pound to a pinch of shit they would not sell it for that if they got rights to sellling it...And if its about people getting the money back then i think 34 mill was the CCC input, so although they have had monies back the certainly haven't had 27mill out of it...
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£34m? It was approx £10m and they've in essence invested a further £14m by way of a loan to ACL.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #37
fernandopartridge said:
Albeit in a part of the world where commercial land and property costs a lot more.

Not that it's even worth arguing over the merits of the 'new stadium', it won't happen.
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Very true. Can't really compare with London prices. And agree there will be no 'new stadium'


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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #38
fernandopartridge said:
I'd sooner the club owned it than either party.
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fernandopartridge said:
£34m? It was approx £10m and they've in essence invested a further £14m by way of a loan to ACL.
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As you well know the club will never own it. It's a choice between Sisu and CCC.

I think you'll find if you include previous land ownership and it's realised value the figures for CCC contribution is way above that.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #39
fernandopartridge said:
£34m? It was approx £10m and they've in essence invested a further £14m by way of a loan to ACL.
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Where did the rest of the money for the build come from?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #40
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Where did the rest of the money for the build come from?
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Tesco
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #41
stupot07 said:
Very true. Can't really compare with London prices. And agree there will be no 'new stadium'


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Yet mr Linnel Is absolutely convinced they will build It If necessary.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #42
fernandopartridge said:
Tesco
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By buying land owned by the Council :facepalm:
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #43
wingy said:
Yet mr Linnel Is absolutely convinced they will build It If necessary.
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He also thought anyone who wanted thorn sacked "knows nothing about football"
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #44
And Di Canio would be back at Swindon, that was bang on fact, you heard it hear first.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #45
The Council were originally exposed for £31M.

The YB loan and 50yr lease to ACL was the vehicle by which the council recouped £21M.

As a result of It's current loan It Is exposed for £24M.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #46
fernandopartridge said:
Tesco
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Seem to remember yes 59 million wasn't it? So why didn't the council just keep the money?
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #47
Grendel said:
He also thought anyone who wanted thorn sacked "knows nothing about football"
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i'd give that a like Grendel but the button is playing up.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #48
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Seem to remember yes 59 million wasn't it? So why didn't the council just keep the money?
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I bet they wish they had :thinking about:

However their love of CCFC meant they invested it back into a stadium whose future was secured against a very long lease
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #49
Chipfat said:
Move out the way council?? what and give SISU control of a city asset, i don't trust them to run the club never mind give them more connection to our city.. They can't be trusted and if they have not shown this over the last 8 years you will never see wrong in how these people are allowed to carry on the distruction of the club.. I do agree the council should not be involved in the club but maybe they are the only ones who are strong enough to stand up against SISU who have no regard for our club, city or its people..

Secondly the council paid for the stadium and surely have as much right as anyone to ask the market price for it not 7mill as priced by SISU, because pound to a pinch of shit they would not sell it for that if they got rights to sellling it...And if its about people getting the money back then i think 34 mill was the CCC input, so although they have had monies back the certainly haven't had 27mill out of it...
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If you have a better idea then the floor is yours......

Problem is you'll say either:

A) Sisu should sell the Club to someone who can be trusted
B) Take a rent deal at the Ricoh

Of which none of the two options bare any relevance as both have been dismissed, the easiest way to sort this would be for the Club and the Ricoh to be united as one, problem is everyone comes out with a million reasons why that shouldn't be the case.
 
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italiahorse

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #50
Grendel said:
He also thought anyone who wanted thorn sacked "knows nothing about football"
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I think because he becomes to close to them (Friends ?) and then backs them up.
Not what we want really where we need to get to the facts.
He was good at the forums but now he is just another Sisu puppet.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #51
italiahorse said:
I would sooner the Council own it than Sisu, wouldn't you?
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A Council is not allowed to own a Football Club so although that's way you may prefer it's not as likely that the Council will own the Club before Sisu own the Ricoh
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #52
RoboCCFC90 said:
If you have a better idea then the floor is yours......

Problem is you'll say either:

A) Sisu should sell the Club to someone who can be trusted
B) Take a rent deal at the Ricoh

Of which none of the two options bare any relevance as both have been dismissed, the easiest way to sort this would be for the Clun and the Ricoh to be united as one, problem is everyone comes out with a million reasons why that shouldn't be the case.
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To be fair there are a millions reasons.
For the club to own it someone would have to buy the Ricoh and give it to the club.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #53
RoboCCFC90 said:
A Council is not allowed to own a Football Club so although that's way you may prefer it's not as likely that the Council will own the Club before Sisu own the Ricoh
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I did mean ownership of the Ricoh in saying I prefer CCC to own it over Sisu.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #54
italiahorse said:
To be fair there are a millions reasons.
For the club to own it someone would have to buy the Ricoh and give it to the club.
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I concur however when you have comments such as "what and give SISU control of a city asset" it's not likely when no one wants Sisu to buy it and wants to pick and choose who has the right.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #55
italiahorse said:
I did mean ownership of the Ricoh in saying I prefer CCC to own it over Sisu.
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That's okay then I thought I had better check
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #56
I posted my opinion, answers to a the problem i don't have.. What i do know is that Sisu should not control the Ricoh and in my opinion be owners of OUR football club. Answers to that problem will come in time, but i hope when these people leave the fans have more control in both club and stadium to stop this situation ever happening again.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #57
italiahorse said:
By buying land owned by the Council :facepalm:
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Would the council have invested £54m without Tesco? Yes or no will do.
 

hill83

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #58
wingy said:
i'd give that a like Grendel but the button is playing up.
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Where is skybluekid?
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #59
Chipfat said:
I posted my opinion, answers to a the problem i don't have.. What i do know is that Sisu should not control the Ricoh and in my opinion be owners of OUR football club. Answers to that problem will come in time, but i hope when these people leave the fans have more control in both club and stadium to stop this situation ever happening again.
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And there in lies the issue we have, as fans we don't have an answer or an influence, we are pawns in a game of Chess.

None of us want Sisu to own the Football Club, but they won't be forced out and insist they won't be bought out, so we have no choice but to accept what we have and look at other avenues.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #60
fernandopartridge said:
Would the council have invested £54m without Tesco? Yes or no will do.
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You going to answer my question?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #61
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
You going to answer my question?
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No I don't like you like that
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #62
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Seem to remember yes 59 million wasn't it? So why didn't the council just keep the money?
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If only they had
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #63
fernandopartridge said:
Tesco
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Disingenuous.

The money came from the council. They got the money by selling land to Tesco.

Bit like saying some bloke in Norwich bought my laptop for me because I sold him something on eBay.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #64
fernandopartridge said:
If only they had
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Always seems to be forgotten though when it comes to how much they put in the build.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #65
fernandopartridge said:
Would the council have invested £54m without Tesco? Yes or no will do.
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If it's not being disputed that the council got Tesco to pay £54m for council owned land than it follows that it was the councils money and there's nothing to say they had to put it into the arena project. No reason they couldn't have sold the land to Tesco and not bothered building a new ground.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #66
chiefdave said:
If it's not being disputed that the council got Tesco to pay £54m for council owned land than it follows that it was the councils money and there's nothing to say they had to put it into the arena project. No reason they couldn't have sold the land to Tesco and not bothered building a new ground.
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Tesco may not have paid that much for the land had it not been part of a bigger development project and vision.


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italiahorse

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #67
fernandopartridge said:
Would the council have invested £54m without Tesco? Yes or no will do.
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No, of course not.

I guess it was a windfall for the land but it still had to be voted on (very close) and if it was a no then CCFC would not exist. People forget this.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #68
fernandopartridge said:
If only they had
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............. then CCFC would not exist.
 

stupot07

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #69
italiahorse said:
............. then CCFC would not exist.
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And everyone would be happy with their new fan owned Phoenix club playing down the butts....


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chiefdave

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  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #70
stupot07 said:
Tesco may not have paid that much for the land had it not been part of a bigger development project and vision.
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I'm not sure Tesco think having a football stadium causing traffic jams on matchday is a plus point. The other stores and restaurants could still have happened without the stadium being built.
 
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