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The CableGuy

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #36
coundonskyblue said:
The council havent took a penny out of that club. That is fact and is readily available information.
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Quiet you! Don't let mere facts get in the way of a good rant.
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #37
This situation had to come to a head. Those having a pop at ACL for doing this are idiots. The matter HAS to be resolved. FFS Sisu bought our club knowing the financial outlays and made no attempt to change them at the time of purchase.
 
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procdoc

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #38
theferret said:
You know as well as I do that the people that lose most from liquidation are SISU themselves, and any threat to do that was made out of desperation as they had been backed into a corner by the legal proceedings instigated by ACL.

ACL could have taken a different course, but they chose not to, and this is where we are. SISU could also have made different choices too of course, but let's agree on one thing, SISU threatened to put the club out of business, ACL are actually going to do it, and their reasoning? To save the club from liquidation. What a load of shit. Can't believe people are buying that line.
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And I can't beleive people like you support SISU in any of this. I'm not an ACL sympathiser, they DID charge too much rent for a championship/league one club but SISU were aware of this and agreed to pay it. I don't like the amount of interest charged on my credit card but I agreed to pay it and if I stopped paying it I'd get taken to court. It's the same principle
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #39
theferret said:
You know as well as I do that the people that lose most from liquidation are SISU themselves, and any threat to do that was made out of desperation as they had been backed into a corner by the legal proceedings instigated by ACL.

ACL could have taken a different course, but they chose not to, and this is where we are. SISU could also have made different choices of course, but chose not to. They may regret that. Let's agree on one thing though, SISU threatened to put the club out of business, ACL are actually going to do it Their reasoning? To save the club from liquidation. What a load of shit. Can't believe people are buying that line.
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It is a good line though isn't it?
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #40
theferret said:
You know as well as I do that the people that lose most from liquidation are SISU themselves, and any threat to do that was made out of desperation as they had been backed into a corner by the legal proceedings instigated by ACL.

ACL could have taken a different course, but they chose not to, and this is where we are. SISU could also have made different choices of course, but chose not to. They may regret that. Let's agree on one thing though, SISU threatened to put the club out of business, ACL are actually going to do it Their reasoning? To save the club from liquidation. What a load of shit. Can't believe people are buying that line.
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Answer 1 question then please:

Over the last year, what concessions have Sisu made over the rent negotiations?
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #41
theferret said:
You know as well as I do that the people that lose most from liquidation are SISU themselves, and any threat to do that was made out of desperation as they had been backed into a corner by the legal proceedings instigated by ACL.

ACL could have taken a different course, but they chose not to, and this is where we are. SISU could also have made different choices of course, but chose not to. They may regret that. Let's agree on one thing though, SISU threatened to put the club out of business, ACL are actually going to do it Their reasoning? To save the club from liquidation. What a load of shit. Can't believe people are buying that line.
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Just what do you expect ACL to do then?
 
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logjoe

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #42
coundonskyblue said:
Incorrect again, latest set of accounts show that ACL isn't dependent on CCFC.
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Oh and the Olympics are here every year
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #43
Tonylinc said:
This situation had to come to a head. Those having a pop at ACL for doing this are idiots. The matter HAS to be resolved. FFS Sisu bought our club knowing the financial outlays and made no attempt to change them at the time of purchase.
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So if it was your business you would continued paying the pre agreed rent even if it meant your business ultimately fails? But yes I am an idiot so thanks for the insult, it means so much and adds weight to your argument. Why does it need to come to a head we should be paying market rates that allow us to compete. Surely the only sensible outcome and if that means acl conceding more ground for the long term benefit if my club, then sorry if I don't give a flying fk.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #44
Just to correct the ill informed on here, latest ACL accounts are up to May 2012. Two months before the olympics started.
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #45
Tonylinc said:
Just what do you expect ACL to do then?
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Err, agree to the terms?

At 400K per year offered (not disputed by ACL BTW) in return for income amounting to 250K, we'd still be paying 150K per year which is still above market rates for a 3rd division club. It utterly amazes me how some people don't think that was a reasonable and fair offer.
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #46
coundonskyblue said:
They've prevented Sisu putting the club out of business. Read the statement.
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Can you put this in bold or CAPITALS then the penny may drop !
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #47
coundonskyblue said:
Just to correct the ill informed on here, latest ACL accounts are up to May 2012. Two months before the olympics started.
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I'm on my tablet and can't view them at mo, so please deduct £1.3m from the bottom line and a conservative estimate of 200k for parkingband catering andtell me how much they made in that financial year. Thx in advance.
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #48
Flying Fokker said:
It is a good line though isn't it?
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No, it is spin of the worst kind.
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #49
rob9872 said:
So if it was your business you would continued paying the pre agreed rent even if it meant your business ultimately fails? But yes I am an idiot so thanks for the insult, it means so much and adds weight to your argument. Why does it need to come to a head we should be paying market rates that allow us to compete. Surely the only sensible outcome and if that means acl conceding more ground for the long term benefit if my club, then sorry if I don't give a flying fk.
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1. Sisu agreed the pre-purchase arrangements re:- rent, and made no attempt to change/amend them.
2. ACL have made huge concessions on this arrangement but Sisu have rejected them.
3. As I understand it ACL have also made offers as to match-day revenue streams.

In these circumstances please explain how you can possibly justify their actions on withholding rent.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #50
Lets face it, there all wankers on both sides only looking out for themselves
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #51
WestEndAgro said:
Can you put this in bold or CAPITALS then the penny may drop !
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Politicians love people like you. You'll buy any old line.

ACL who for months have been jumping up and down like children saying "we want our money" over and over, have suddenly now made a move to protect the club from going bust? All out of the goodness of their little hearts. Absolute shit.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #52
Tonylinc said:
1. Sisu agreed the pre-purchase arrangements re:- rent, and made no attempt to change/amend them.
2. ACL have made huge concessions on this arrangement but Sisu have rejected them.
3. As I understand it ACL have also made offers as to match-day revenue streams.

In these circumstances please explain how you can possibly justify their actions on withholding rent.
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Because the terms are still not market rate and by contributing anything they are inferring agreement to terms. I believe if we were offered market rates comparable withour competition then it would not be withheld. Just an opinion of couse but as acl would prefer admin to market rates I guess we will never know.
 
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thorn in my side

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #53
coundonskyblue said:
They've prevented Sisu putting the club out of business. Read the statement.
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:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Hook, line and sinker.

Can't be arsed explaining just how ridiculous your statement is
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #54
theferret said:
Err, agree to the terms?

At 400K per year offered (not disputed by ACL BTW) in return for income amounting to 250K, we'd still be paying 150K per year which is still above market rates for a 3rd division club. It utterly amazes me how some people don't think that was a reasonable and fair offer.
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And whose fault is it that we are now a third division club?
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #55
Tonylinc said:
1. Sisu agreed the pre-purchase arrangements re:- rent, and made no attempt to change/amend them.
2. ACL have made huge concessions on this arrangement but Sisu have rejected them.
3. As I understand it ACL have also made offers as to match-day revenue streams.

In these circumstances please explain how you can possibly justify their actions on withholding rent.
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He just explained it. The line that said "so if it was your business you would continued paying the pre agreed rent even if it meant your business ultimately fails?" said it all.

The club couldn't afford it. The deal wasn't right. The club's 'demands' would have ultimately meant a net contribution of 150K per year, these are figures that are not disputed. A fair offer in my opinion.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #56
Tonylinc said:
And whose fault is it that we are now a third division club?
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Greedy bryan richardson and a successiin of poor managers, worse boards and culminating in a bunch of council ballbags.
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #57
theferret said:
Politicians love people like you. You'll buy any old line.

ACL who for months have been jumping up and down like children saying "we want our money" over and over, have suddenly now made a move to protect the club from going bust? All out of the goodness of their little hearts. Absolute shit.
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So explain "The SISU master plan" and then tell me why the council should let SISU take their pants down and FCUK them.
 
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logjoe

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #58
Tonylinc said:
Just what do you expect ACL to do then?
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Lets look at CCC's astute record of keeping businesses in this city problem is there is none anymore. Because they left or went bust council response zilch. They wont to develop the land around the stadium and have done nothing yet. Look at the city centre an example of inward investment its dead when the last invester wanted to build anything there CCC's restrictions and stupidity made the investment company walk away. Currently the arena is down the road from the bigeest exhibition and concert arena in the UK oh and it has a railway station. If you think the NEC is going to keep losing business to the Ricoh Arean dream on. ACL are a council business central government are not going to just sit back and let CCC claim rebates for council tax etc when they have this investment in land and property on their protfolio. One reason why doncaster gave there away. PEOPLE I AM NOT SAYING SISU ARE THE ANSWER BUT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON ALL THIS BECAUSE WE WILL END UP WITH ANOTHER COMPANY IN CHARGE WHO ARE NO BETTER.
 

coundonskyblue

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #59
Market rates are determined by supply and demand.

Supply:
The fact that other club pay less is irrelevant, as none of those venues are an option to CCFC. Like it or lump it but the Ricoh is the only venue that CCFC (in its current form) can play in.

Demand:
Equally so, CCFC are the only sports team that the Ricoh is realistically able to host regularly.

So supply and demand rules state that the Supplier (The Ricoh) must reduce the cost of its product. (Which they have). They also state that the consumer (CCFC) must be willing to accept that they have to pay more than what they would like (which they haven't).

Only one side being unreasonable there.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #60
logjoe said:
Lets look at CCC's astute record of keeping businesses in this city problem is there is none anymore. Because they left or went bust council response zilch. They wont to develop the land around the stadium and have done nothing yet. Look at the city centre an example of inward investment its dead when the last invester wanted to build anything there CCC's restrictions and stupidity made the investment company walk away. Currently the arena is down the road from the bigeest exhibition and concert arena in the UK oh and it has a railway station. If you think the NEC is going to keep losing business to the Ricoh Arean dream on. ACL are a council business central government are not going to just sit back and let CCC claim rebates for council tax etc when they have this investment in land and property on their protfolio. One reason why doncaster gave there away. PEOPLE I AM NOT SAYING SISU ARE THE ANSWER BUT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON ALL THIS BECAUSE WE WILL END UP WITH ANOTHER COMPANY IN CHARGE WHO ARE NO BETTER.
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So we have nothing to lose then.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #61
rob9872 said:
Greedy bryan richardson and a successiin of poor managers, worse boards and culminating in a bunch of council ballbags.
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You really are wasting your time you know.

It is summed up by the idiot who mocked the guy who posted about Doncaster. I was in Doncaster yesterday. They told the council they would not pay rent unless the council hand the ground over - which they did. Hull were supposed to pay £500,000 a year - they said no and have paid an average of £57,000 a year. Ipswich were sued for non payment but the Council gave up and handed over Portman Road for £30,000 a year. Brighton seemingly pay nothing.

It's pointless. We are going to get a 10 point reduction next season and there is no one interested in buying the club. Best we can hope for is relegation to League Two and then we will be paying £400,000 a year in League Two as surely the council wouldn't dare compromise on the rent then would they? Well they probably will and the farcical thing is that the majority on here will not care.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #62
coundonskyblue said:
So we have nothing to lose then.
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Just our club and status, but at least you can feel safe in the knowledge that you told us so. :-(
 
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SkyBlueSwiss

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #63
thorn in my side said:
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Hook, line and sinker.

Can't be arsed explaining just how ridiculous your statement is
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Ditto!
That you can believe any of the SISU bullshit is totally beyond belief, that your morals would allow you to continue to support the illegal activities of a Mayfair hedgefund, that you continue to berate those institutions without which our club would have ceased to exist years ago already.
To quote you - Can't be arsed explaining just how ridiculous your statement is.
 

coundonskyblue

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #64
rob9872 said:
Just our club and status, but at least you can feel safe in the knowledge that you told us so. :-(
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Well the threat of Liquidation has now passed so surely your pleased?
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #65
WestEndAgro said:
So explain "The SISU master plan" and then tell me why the council should let SISU take their pants down and FCUK them.
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Take their pants down how? By paying them above market rates? At 150K per year net that still represented a good deal to ACL.

Like I said in another thread, Doncaster council gave their local football club their stadium. Ours get insulted by a rent offer of 400K and try to then force the club out of business. And people think this is good?
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #66
Grendel said:
You really are wasting your time you know.

It is summed up by the idiot who mocked the guy who posted about Doncaster. I was in Doncaster yesterday. They told the council they would not pay rent unless the council hand the ground over - which they did. Hull were supposed to pay £500,000 a year - they said no and have paid an average of £57,000 a year. Ipswich were sued for non payment but the Council gave up and handed over Portman Road for £30,000 a year. Brighton seemingly pay nothing.

It's pointless. We are going to get a 10 point reduction next season and there is no one interested in buying the club. Best we can hope for is relegation to League Two and then we will be paying £400,000 a year in League Two as surely the council wouldn't dare compromise on the rent then would they? Well they probably will and the farcical thing is that the majority on here will not care.
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Please stop posting your opinions as fact.

I respect your right to an opinion, but you are posting things that you can't possibly know as fact.

Nearly 7 Billion people in this world, you can't possibly know all their intentions!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #67
coundonskyblue said:
Well the threat of Liquidation has now passed so surely your pleased?
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You are aware SISU can quite easily buy the club back arent you?
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #68
Grendel said:
You are aware SISU can quite easily buy the club back arent you?
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Yes but why would they? What would they have to gain from it? Also why would they by the club back just to liquidate it?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #69
thorn in my side said:
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Hook, line and sinker.

Can't be arsed explaining just how ridiculous your statement is
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Aye, it's like saying "He was going to hang himself so I shot him dead"
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 13, 2013
  • #70
SkyBlueSwiss said:
Ditto!
That you can believe any of the SISU bullshit is totally beyond belief, that your morals would allow you to continue to support the illegal activities of a Mayfair hedgefund, that you continue to berate those institutions without which our club would have ceased to exist years ago already.
To quote you - Can't be arsed explaining just how ridiculous your statement is.
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Illegal? For someone who bleated on earlier about 'absolute proof' that is quite a bold statement.

Institutions that without which our club would have ceased to exist? What are you on? The only reason the club are here is because this hedge fund you so despise saw fit to protect their investment by continuing to pump money into the club to keep it afloat.
 
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