The approach we are taking is literally the keep calm and carry on, we know it’s gonna spread and we’re gonna have to power through it with up to 80% having some type of it...
Very risky from Boris compared to say China and the way they have dealt with it
So you are saying that Angela Merkel is morally bankrupt? (And the other leaders who gave the facts out)Not understanding how you plan for pandemics and running around telling everyone that 48 million people in the uk will get the virus is both bad and morally bankrupt.
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She to didn't say it was a definite amount. The people who claim she did are morally bankruptSo you are saying that Angela Merkel is morally bankrupt? (And the other leaders who gave the facts out)
You’re such an arse or are being one. I put figures to his percentage that is allNot understanding how you plan for pandemics and running around telling everyone that 48 million people in the uk will get the virus is both bad and morally bankrupt.
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“He says his top planning assumption is 80% of people getting the illness.”
That’s from the Guardian live blog. He being Chris Whitty.
She to didn't say it was a definite amount. The people who claim she did are morally bankrupt
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Splitting hairs and playing semantics doesn’t get you out of the mess you’ve created for yourself.
Merkel said that 70% of the population could get coronavirus, similarly Varadkar told his country that up to 80% could contract the illness. Straight talking, factual.
You are saying that for doing this they are “morally bankrupt”, and you are completely wrong- I suspect you know it, but this weird crusade you’re on to disprove everything that the whole world is saying apart from Trump & Johnson means you cannot just let it go- I get that, no problem- however it’s a serious credibility issue for you when you’re saying that people are morally bankrupt for telling the truth to their people.
But you then have to factor in a death rate of 10 against the 10,000 infected you can’t equate the death rate against reported cases
You’re mixing up the estimated total cases (10k) with the number of known cases and the concluded cases. If everyone stopped contracting it tomorrow you’d still have to wait for all those live cases to be resolved before you could state the death rate. It could be a month or more for that to happen.
The current resolves death rate is 30-odd percent (obviously massively inflated due to only severe cases being the only ones that get admitted). Better to look at China as its further along and currently about 4% if confirmed cases, again high due to undiagnosed cases, but 1% doesn’t sound impossible if you assume a 25% detection rate.
I am aware of that. My issue is the flippancy being displayed by saying thing like that, that’s all. It’s not ‘morally bankrupt’ to give out info like this, I’d say it’s pretty responsible- not something I normally associate with our esteemed leader.johnson has said it
Scary thought. 80% will be infected 48000000
1% mortality is 480000
Pm not wrong many of us will lose loved ones early
So where did I say this is definite and scaremonger??
What the hell has that got to do with anything? People are dying and hundreds are being tested positive every day, and all these fucking Quincy wannabes are saying it’s just “fake news”, which is pretty disgusting.
But it took someone calling you out on it to confirm didn’t it, until that point these people were just tools for you to make some stupid point.
Scary thought. 80% will be infected 48000000
1% mortality is 480000
Pm not wrong many of us will lose loved ones early
So where did I say this is definite and scaremonger??
In fairness I do know that preparation is being made to allow for remote GP consultations to take place but not sure if there is some additional money pledged, been quite busy with that over the last couple of days.To suggest the government is sitting on their hands is crazy.
Do I think they and all other countries are struggling to know what’s best to do, yes (these are unprecedented times), But I also listened to GPs yesterday saying that they were receiving regular updates, had all received additional protective supplies and that they are receiving bulletins from NHS England as to what to do next. The government has also taken several steps to try to mitigate the risk/impact on people and businesses as I detailed earlier.
As Ive said, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but I’ll follow government/medical advice and then also make my own decisions.
Based on what you’re saying i trust you won’t be going on Saturday. I’d also expect you will be telling everyone on the forum not to attend the match either
Trump currently getting crucified by the media for doing exactly that.
No mention of India though who have done exactly the same thing.
I can't see anything other than a recession now. We'll feel the pain of this virus for years to come.
My brother (2 types of cancer) half jokingly said he thinks that the govt are secretly happy that they'll save a load of money through not having to pay state pensions to those that don't survive it, plus a lot of future saved NHS costs that the departed won't incur. Partly tongue in cheek (but not fully)
The very first cases identified in the USA were all traced to people newly arrived on flights from China.Scientifically doesn’t it’s not even a debate
Hes hated by the left wing media over there, they would rather run a smear campaign then deliver news.
Currently watching Johnson's speech outlining the plan, have to admit he looks a worried man. No checks at the borders and no travel bans have fucked us. Far too late to implement any of those measures now. Stay safe everyone!
I can't see anything other than a recession now. We'll feel the pain of this virus for years to come.
I’d imagine that the stress in relation to something like this is is horrific. Especially when you are following a path that’s counter intuitive (but based on medical advice).
As I mentioned earlier, the easiest thing would be to follow everyone else at least then you can say ‘we just did what everyone else did’
My concern is hes surrounded himself with “freaks and weirdos” that have a pathological desire to take the road less trodden and IMO the typical layman’s overestimation of the power of data. The reliance on near quackery like the nudge unit rather than medical opinion is a symptom of that. Sometimes the easy option is the right one when you’re playing with lives.
My concern is hes surrounded himself with “freaks and weirdos” that have a pathological desire to take the road less trodden and IMO the typical layman’s overestimation of the power of data. The reliance on near quackery like the nudge unit rather than medical opinion is a symptom of that. Sometimes the easy option is the right one when you’re playing with lives.
I thought the two 'experts' came across really well - whether they are right or wrong I don't know, but I followed their arguments and they gave me confidence (misplaced or not) as to the rationale. Slight concern over keeping schools open - as my wife is a TA working with 'snotty' kids (no offence intended) and a son at Secondary school (travels on bus). So a feeling of inevitability that they are likely to encounter it - and then the concern of shielding anything from our 3 elderly parents (all 3 in the medical issue category, and who rely on us for support/food etc)
There are eugenicists all over the governmentIt really wouldn't surprise me if someone somewhere in government had these thoughts.
Like I said in the other thread, it depends on how the advice is framed.It might well be, however, as long he’s talking the best medical advice, questioning it and being guided it, I can’t really argue with what he is doing
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