Agreed it’s a terrible target but I think this government are best understood by looking at their decisions through the culture war lens. As you point out yourself it’s the only game Cummings knows. They end up U-turning on everything eventually so letting labour win doesn’t seem a viable explanation. Look at the situation with Burnham. All those negotiations and the support turns up anyway, the whole thing was an orchestrated charade to create some scape goats.nah kids are a terrible culture war target and it's not driving a wedge anywhere apart from between tories and voters
It's just a government who can't be seen to let Labour win anything even if it will starve kids
Hancock !
You need to be more specific. So much to choose from with the car crash interviews he's been giving this morning. Noticed that he slipped in 500K tests a day by the end of the year when it was previously said to be by the end of October.being caught out lying
Think they'll push for the latter.January will be interesting. That 40% Brexit vote has stuck rigidly to the Tories so far. I wonder what will happen when they finally get Brexit done, or if we’ll have perpetual Brexit to keep voters scared and onside
Think they'll push for the latter.
There's already a narrative being pushed that any failings with Brexit are somehow the fault of remainers. Would hope that wouldn't stick as its clearly ridiculous but nothing would surprise me.Thats what I’m thinking:
December: Last minute thin gruel deal achieved and hailed as massive success by press.
Jan: Say we need to negotiate full deal and this will be proper Brexit, should last the next five years.
Was going to say the same thing. They’ll be plenty happy to buy into it.There's already a narrative being pushed that any failings with Brexit are somehow the fault of remainers. Would hope that wouldn't stick as its clearly ridiculous but nothing would surprise me.
97% success rate offers a fair old chance of a Covid lotteryWhile getting results quickly is obviously a good thing the cynic in me fears we're a step away from a £120 a time charge for attending events, seeing family etc.
Yep I’ve seen some maths on this and although 97% sounds pretty accurate it’s a huge number of people that could be affected very quickly with false negatives or false positives. Shouldn’t be allowed really. For instance 500,000 tests at 97% is 15000 mistakes and if they each have 20 close contacts that’s another 18000 potentially not being told or being told incorrectly to isolate97% success rate offers a fair old chance of a Covid lottery
this is why no tech for project moonshot exists. nothing is accurate enoughYep I’ve seen some maths on this and although 97% sounds pretty accurate it’s a huge number of people that could be affected very quickly with false negatives or false positives. Shouldn’t be allowed really. For instance 500,000 tests at 97% is 15000 mistakes and if they each have 20 close contacts that’s another 18000 potentially not being told or being told incorrectly to isolate
I get that,but is 97% better than the ratio of PCR tests and subsequent t&t ?this is why no tech for project moonshot exists. nothing is accurate enough
Interesting fp,not really what I want to read currently though , anxiety through the roof due to family travelling currently.This is an interesting read about transmission aboard a flight that was less than 25% full
Eurosurveillance | A large national outbreak of COVID-19 linked to air travel, Ireland, summer 2020
An outbreak of 59 cases of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) originated with 13 cases linked by a 7 h, 17% occupancy flight into Ireland, summer 2020. The flight-associated attack rate was 9.8–17.8%. Spread to 46 non-flight cases occurred country-wide. Asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic transmission...www.eurosurveillance.org
Yep I’ve seen some maths on this and although 97% sounds pretty accurate it’s a huge number of people that could be affected very quickly with false negatives or false positives. Shouldn’t be allowed really. For instance 500,000 tests at 97% is 15000 mistakes and if they each have 20 close contacts that’s another 18000 potentially not being told or being told incorrectly to isolate
Ah yes politicking!Agreed it’s a terrible target but I think this government are best understood by looking at their decisions through the culture war lens. As you point out yourself it’s the only game Cummings knows. They end up U-turning on everything eventually so letting labour win doesn’t seem a viable explanation. Look at the situation with Burnham. All those negotiations and the support turns up anyway, the whole thing was an orchestrated charade to create some scape goats.
Yep that’s why I said false negatives aswellPeople isolating when they may not need to is far less of an issue that people not isolating when they do need to.
There are some who suggest this might be a problem with the rush, that any subsequent versions may struggle to become established even if better , something around inability to measure between various versions.Seems that staff at George Eliot have received a memo from the chief exec, Glen Burley, regarding vaccinations:
Fingers crossed there is something to this and not just a case of crossed wires. Think knowing there is a light at the end of the tunnel would be great for people. Might also help persuade people to stick to the rules if they know there's an end in sight.
Economics will prevail and get in the way , flying to hubs cancelling flights or transferring to pool users.This is an interesting read about transmission aboard a flight that was less than 25% full
Eurosurveillance | A large national outbreak of COVID-19 linked to air travel, Ireland, summer 2020
An outbreak of 59 cases of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) originated with 13 cases linked by a 7 h, 17% occupancy flight into Ireland, summer 2020. The flight-associated attack rate was 9.8–17.8%. Spread to 46 non-flight cases occurred country-wide. Asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic transmission...www.eurosurveillance.org
Thought for a minute I had clicked on the wrong thread.
Not sure if this is a thread about Covid-19, or just a Tory and Brexit bashing session.
Interesting fp,not really what I want to read currently though , anxiety through the roof due to family travelling currently.
Youre right, let’s post up all the Tory successes, I’ll go first:
I'm not interested in how shit the tories are - I don't think anyone is really in disagreement.
A debate on the virus and opinions/insight into certain things without wanking one off would be great though.
Sure, what are your views on temporary school closures as a means to curb the spread more effectively than telling a pub to close at 10 pm? Particularly as ‘the science’ shows it will affect the R number to a much greater extent
It makes me think of this video. Absolute quality from Simon.
The problem is the Tories are the ones carrying out this bollocks hence they’re bound to get mentioned. Politics is infringing on us now more than it has in a long time
But then parents need time off work.Sure, what are your views on temporary school closures as a means to curb the spread more effectively than telling a pub to close at 10 pm? Particularly as ‘the science’ shows it will affect the R number to a much greater extent
It's not a crèche.But then parents need time off work.
No its a form of education that allows most Parents to work during the day to supply their child or children with a good young life, until they are old enough.It's not a crèche.
But then parents need time off work.
It used to work alright with one parent .No its a form of education that allows most Parents to work during the day to supply their child or children with a good young life, until they are old enough.
Yup. Bonkers to shut down places, and leave the areas where most transmission happens open.But work has been closed because of Covid. But schools are the main drivers of new cases. But I’m an educator not a babysitter
no it just as other have pointed out can lead to large numbers of false positives or negativesI get that,but is 97% better than the ratio of PCR tests and subsequent t&t ?
Then the error rate applied reflects the prevailing rate in the community,not the entire potential error margin?
I can’t get over the way it’s being pitched to be honest. Like someone in the Tories has been in negotiations with Cov-ID (no doubt the crack team responsible for Brexit) and it’s agreed to have a day off.Yup. Bonkers to shut down places, and leave the areas where most transmission happens open.
You want to flatten it so there's a vague hope of a 'nomal' Christmas? There's an obvious answer, and we've not taken it. Of course, it' highly likely they'll relax restrictions for the day or something bonkers, so everybody can catch Covid off everyone else, then pop back to school / uni to exacerbate it, and then we're... doomed.
Yup. Bonkers to shut down places, and leave the areas where most transmission happens open.
You want to flatten it so there's a vague hope of a 'nomal' Christmas? There's an obvious answer, and we've not taken it. Of course, it' highly likely they'll relax restrictions for the day or something bonkers, so everybody can catch Covid off everyone else, then pop back to school / uni to exacerbate it, and then we're... doomed.
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