There may not be a central procurement framework but surely if someone at the top, idk like the health minister for example, told all trusts to ensure they had adequate numbers of ventilators a few months ago they wouldn’t have needed to publicly plead with car part makers on Twitter this week. Unless that was purely optics. I noticed they trotted out the phrase ‘on a war footing’, wonder who that was to appeal to...It'll be on frameworks but at an individual trust level. There is no NHS purchasing at genuinely national level apart from pharmaceuticals.
There was the same attitude here up until the start of the lockdown, I fully expect the UK to suffer the same fate as here because of it too.
They need to take him out of the frontline. Never thought I'd say this but Andy Burnham is right. Just have one, qualified, person doing a daily briefing. Boris is the last person who should be doing it. He's spent years building up this jokey persona and can't just switch that off.Johnson is starting to look increasingly uncomfortable and out of his depth.
People generally focusing on their own countries (and neighbours as freedom of movement much more relevant here).Was going to ask how the U.K. attitude, both governmental and public, is being perceived abroad?
Was talking to a friend in Ireland and he was aghast that we were living our lives as normal over the weekend and don’t seem to comprehend the situation.
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They have changed course haven’t they? Haven’t we?Sorry Pete but everyone could see the data and was screaming at them to change course. The idea we wouldn’t be affected like every other country in the world was just ridiculous.
Johnson is starting to look increasingly uncomfortable and out of his depth.
They need to take him out of the frontline. Never thought I'd say this but Andy Burnham is right. Just have one, qualified, person doing a daily briefing. Boris is the last person who should be doing it. He's spent years building up this jokey persona and can't just switch that off.
The press conference last night for example was a shambles. Ignoring if you think the message they are trying to get across is correct or not they are communicating it badly. Was listening on 5Live and as soon as it finished their lines were flooded with people wanting clarification from the medical professional on the show as they didn't understand the advice being given by the government.
There may not be a central procurement framework but surely if someone at the top, idk like the health minister for example, told all trusts to ensure they had adequate numbers of ventilators a few months ago they wouldn’t have needed to publicly plead with car part makers on Twitter this week. Unless that was purely optics. I noticed they trotted out the phrase ‘on a war footing’, wonder who that was to appeal to...
And they're using language people don't understand. Think of your average Jeremy Kyle viewer sat on their sofa, that's who you've got to get the message across to.Then the two scientific guys speak and it's like none of them have agreed much beforehand, they all say slightly different things to each other.
Has anyone heard any mention of the homeless in all this? Its all well and good telling everyone to stay in but what about those that have nowhere to go?
Factually incorrect. If you’d said they delayed measures that would’ve been correctI still can't get my head around it. The entire world puts in measures to flatten the curve, yet our government thought we could do the same by… just letting it run. It's incredible. At least they have finally seen sense, some consolation I suppose.
To be fair to the politicians, this is such an unknown thing to deal with. Yes, other countries have had it before is but in the grand scheme of things, the whole situation is relatively organic and given that it's a new virus and currently doesn't have a specific treatment, a lot of what is being tested globally is largely trial and error.
Yes people are dying. People die every day from flu like viral infections.
Regardless if it was wrong or not to go down the path the govt did, at least there was rationale there. There was a plan that was developed by leading scientists. Let's not forget that the UK has some of the world leading scientific bodies and institutions. The plan was based was risky and based on a number of assumptions.
It looks like they've quickly realised that a change in direction might be better so they're activating it. Is it still open to scrutiny - yes.
But given this is a total unknown that none of us have faced before, getting every decision right from day one (which we would hope and expect), just isn't possible when you're dealing with the unknown.
Stay safe peoples.
not just a Govt but a political culture of demonizing experts - whether it's on economy, health, environment, immigration et al.There's a lot of truth in what you say, and I haven't really passed too much comment about it because I really have little understanding of what is going on.
But what djr8369 said is true. We have a government which has made of huge paly of demonising experts and now all of a sudden they need to try and get the public to listen to them and it looks like it could misfire badly on them.
Don’t worry I fully agree. It’s all soundbites for the gullible at the moment. Those that think we just need to buy some more beds to increase the capacity of the NHS.Make no mistake, HanCOCK was playing to the crowd on that. Even if there is a load of ventilators, there are just not enough staff trained to use them. It isn't a case of plug in and away you go. Hancock is an utter utter c**t, my contempt for him is greater than any of the other members of this rotten government.
There may not be a central procurement framework but surely if someone at the top, idk like the health minister for example, told all trusts to ensure they had adequate numbers of ventilators a few months ago they wouldn’t have needed to publicly plead with car part makers on Twitter this week. Unless that was purely optics. I noticed they trotted out the phrase ‘on a war footing’, wonder who that was to appeal to...
The sombrero comment should be gross misconduct - twatThey need to take him out of the frontline. Never thought I'd say this but Andy Burnham is right. Just have one, qualified, person doing a daily briefing. Boris is the last person who should be doing it. He's spent years building up this jokey persona and can't just switch that off.
The press conference last night for example was a shambles. Ignoring if you think the message they are trying to get across is correct or not they are communicating it badly. Was listening on 5Live and as soon as it finished their lines were flooded with people wanting clarification from the medical professional on the show as they didn't understand the advice being given by the government.
In the last 24 hours Germany ordered 10,000 brand new ventilators from Irish manufacturers. Total orders by U.K.? Zero, we’re going to get some car companies to try and build some for us.
Trouble is, there are way too many people claiming to be experts on every subject immaginable. The BBC, ITV, Channels 4 & 5 all have a small army of so called experts repeating government advice either without understanding it themselves, or putting their own slant on things. Take the breifing yesterday. I fully understood the government position on the difference between 7 days and 14 days isolation although it was incredibly badly explained, but a channel 4 journalist tried to get it clalrified, and clearly demonstrated lack of understanding, and later the BBC incorrectly explained it on the news.not just a Govt but a political culture of demonizing experts - whether it's on economy, health, environment, immigration et al.
People find a theory then search for the expert/data to support it.
Totally agree. The communications from those briefings has not provided clarity on some points.They need to take him out of the frontline. Never thought I'd say this but Andy Burnham is right. Just have one, qualified, person doing a daily briefing. Boris is the last person who should be doing it. He's spent years building up this jokey persona and can't just switch that off.
The press conference last night for example was a shambles. Ignoring if you think the message they are trying to get across is correct or not they are communicating it badly. Was listening on 5Live and as soon as it finished their lines were flooded with people wanting clarification from the medical professional on the show as they didn't understand the advice being given by the government.
everything is political, this situation s highly political. Ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
And if the government gets it right, you'll be shouting it from the rooftops, if you say otherwise you're lying.
You know what the “19” means in the name I take it. I don’t know what rock you live under but this has been in the news, reported, very much not a secret for months. And if you have the role of “expert” in the medical field working for the government, I would have thought that it would have been of particular interest, no?
You’ve taken leave of your senses completely or been in a drunken stupor for 3 months if you think this is some new surprising development.
Side step? You’re talking utter bullshit, and you know it.Nice side step there.
Let's be honest which world leader has handled this well?
It's a problem with no correct answers
Even the brilliant communicator (before he went mad) Tony Blair would have struggled in these circumstances
Let's be honest which world leader has handled this well?
It's a problem with no correct answers
Even the brilliant communicator (before he went mad) Tony Blair would have struggled in these circumstances
Maybe the Far East, Germany up to this point.Let's be honest which world leader has handled this well?
It's a problem with no correct answers
Even the brilliant communicator (before he went mad) Tony Blair would have struggled in these circumstances
Side step? You’re talking utter bullshit, and you know it.
This was not a complete surprise and there was plenty of information and experience to use from lots of sources. Unfortunately, they fucked it up. And they’ve confirmed themselves they fucked it up.
What actually are you on about?
Some countries have made plans to move them into hotelsHas anyone heard any mention of the homeless in all this? Its all well and good telling everyone to stay in but what about those that have nowhere to go?
Sounds like you're more happy they have fucked up, than finding a solution. I am just saying, no one knows what is the best action to take. If we were in total lockdown, people would be accusing "the man" of imprisoning the country.
I have changed my stance from not concerned to mildy concerned. More out of preparing for potentially having no work in the coming weeks, but I can also work from home.
Keep calm, adapt and then carry on.
There's a lot of truth in what you say, and I haven't really passed too much comment about it because I really have little understanding of what is going on.
But what djr8369 said is true. We have a government which has made of huge paly of demonising experts and now all of a sudden they need to try and get the public to listen to them and it looks like it could misfire badly on them.
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