David O'Day
Well-Known Member
You think "well tories gonna tory" but at least the old tory party had a clue about what it is doing.
Take for example their support u-turn, they are are basically saying yeah it was shite wasn't it.
It’s such an outrageous thing to not do. Even for bastards like them
Long enough to draw a few mayor's in, maybe were not expecting Blue on Blue though.You think "well tories gonna tory" but at least the old tory party had a clue about what it is doing.
Take for example their support u-turn, they are are basically saying yeah it was shite wasn't it.
This is the Yorkshire Evening Post which will be read in lots of those Tory "red wall" seats with tiny majorities.
It's crazy politics
4 years till the election though, COVID will likely disappear in that time for them to take the credit along with any economic recovery.
This is the bit that worries me the most, having a child that takes these.I guess that with all these things, they could be taking medicines that affect the immune system.
so what about 4 years once the rot sets in it's there and you still have the economic disaster that is brexit to come.
They are election winning machines and Labour need to flip a lot of seats
The last one handed on a plate thanks to a stunning plan from chief architect Captain Hindsight.They've won 2 elections in almost 30 years
The last one handed on a plate thanks to a stunning plan from chief architect Captain Hindsight.
It contributed for sure, but the 2nd ref was the real Kryptonite.Corbyn being toxic also had a lot to do with it
Totally fair comment.Corbyn not having any balls was the problem....the very definition of lacking courage of his own conviction.....and advised not to upset the London centric beardy metrosexual hipsters.....fucking coward.
Definitely a in this together attitude from local communities. Unlike the Tories who apparently didn’t vote for it because they’re just so sensitive that when one of them gets called scum the only course of action is to vote for children not to get free school meals over the holidays.rashfords twitter feed is very life affirming today
rashfords twitter feed is very life affirming today
Definitely a in this together attitude from local communities. Unlike the Tories who apparently didn’t vote for it because they’re just so sensitive that when one of them gets called scum the only course of action is to vote for children not to get free school meals over the holidays.
dont do twitter, any examples what you can post on here at all
It’s basically a raft of local businesses and individuals all around the country taking up the slack and pledging free meals to children that need them during the school holidays.dont do twitter, any examples what you can post on here at all
He did a far better campaign then. Was energetic, optimistic, enthusiastic. Beginning of this election you'd have had hopes he could do the same, but he looked tired, apathetic, a bit hectoring... muddled the policy and added a couple of extreme ones popped up as Tories were promising the world.Funny they were fine voting for him in 2017
Funny they were fine voting for him in 2017
TBF when you dig in Brexit is mentioned by a large minority of people, but doesn’t really back up the “we were too remain” argument, more the opposite:
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FWIW I think we’d already lost Brexit voters before 2017 with general hyper liberalism and anti British feeling. 2017 was mostly Remain voters. Weakness on that and general disappointment with Corbyn were our main problems in 2019.
For the record I didn’t like Labour’s position on Brexit and I wouldn’t want them to peruse a Remain voter strategy generally. Just that I disagree with the dynamics at play in 2017 & 2019.
He got the same issue Johnson has now. A personal belief at odds with his party's belief. If Johnson has any sense (and political survival-wise... he does!) he'd look at that, and see how committing to a position would play better for him than fudging it.I think the argument could have been made to remain .
They never did.
Just as Boris swung it the other way because of the hiatus there was a window to do the opposite , they didn't take it .
I realise this might make me sound like a fascist but I say f***it and it's my opinion ,I base it on material + ideals of closer union to the continent ,not reatreating and retracting
He was a leave protagonist
but there you go.
I think the argument could have been made to remain .
They never did.
Just as Boris swung it the other way because of the hiatus there was a window to do the opposite , they didn't take it .
I realise this might make me sound like a fascist but I say f***it and it's my opinion ,I base it on material + ideals of closer union to the continent ,not reatreating and retracting
He was a leave protagonist
but there you go.
I think this is a much more accurate portrayal.TBF when you dig in Brexit is mentioned by a large minority of people, but doesn’t really back up the “we were too remain” argument, more the opposite:
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FWIW I think we’d already lost Brexit voters before 2017 with general hyper liberalism and anti British feeling. 2017 was mostly Remain voters. Weakness on that and general disappointment with Corbyn were our main problems in 2019.
For the record I didn’t like Labour’s position on Brexit and I wouldn’t want them to peruse a Remain voter strategy generally. Just that I disagree with the dynamics at play in 2017 & 2019.
I think this is a much more accurate portrayal.
The second highest category could also be easily linked to Labour’s dithering of Brexit position.
Maybe his lack of energy/lethargy came from having to run with a policy that he didn’t believe in - that said he did allow the members of party to dictate that position, and should have known that party membership does not reflect voting demographics, especially in Northern leave constituencies.
He didn't help himself, though. 2017 he turned it around through a campaigning energy. That just wasn't there in 2019.2017 frightened the life of the media so they set out to do everything they can to discredit Corbyn, aided and abetted by the centrist arseholes in Labour.
He didn't help himself, though. 2017 he turned it around through a campaigning energy. That just wasn't there in 2019.
I dunno, maybe the time of year for the election didn't help either (less easy to hold a big rally in the dark wet and cold!) but there was definitely something missing from two years earlier.
And as for the Brexit position, that may have been muddled, but it also wasn't explained well on the campaign. Labour's Brexit position still offered the opportunity for us to leave, after all! He should have also been more open, I feel, to a more unified campaign with the Liberals. Could have helped them both, that - note the effect Brexit Party had by playing the numbers, rather than just a sweeping campaign in general. That helped to artificially enlarge a lead, and make it a one-issue vote.
Coventry only kept 3 Labour MPs thanks to Nigel Farage. Crazy really
Not that simple, I know plenty of people who voted Brexit Party but would never vote Tory. It's a fallacy to say that if the were no BXP candidates those people who have directly voted tory.
I imagine more would have voted Tory than Labour in the absence of BXP and since the majorities in Cov were wafer thin it wouldn’t have taken much at all
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