Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

fernandopartridge

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If Johnson and the Tories were these business minded geniuses, they'd have listened to everything the scientists told them. Ultimately, there was no trade off between 'following the science' and protecting the economy. The best thing to do was to take all the steps to minimise the spread of the virus as soon as possible. In both health and economic terms we'd be much much better off. Instead we've ended up in the worst of both worlds.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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the excess death rate since March is similar to the worse 7 months of the Blitz, were people then saying fuck going down air raid shelters any more, or wearing gas masks or shipping kids out to the country, let's get back to normal, get those kids back in school?!
For a person that harps on about WWII, Blitz spirit etc Johnson seems totally unaware of things like rationing. Does he think people were calling for that, or that is was popular? Of course it wasn't, but it was necessary. And people grudgingly accepted it because they knew it had to happen for the overall good.

So it is now with a 'circuit breaker'. It might not be popular but it's necessary, now grow some balls and implement it.
 
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Kieranp96

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You know nothing about pathology dude
Your correct I don't, but I have a brain even half of one would realise they failed to do there job there is no way it infected 20k people from one market before mutating to spread, it was always able to spread form one human to another.
 

Kieranp96

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If Johnson and the Tories were these business minded geniuses, they'd have listened to everything the scientists told them. Ultimately, there was no trade off between 'following the science' and protecting the economy. The best thing to do was to take all the steps to minimise the spread of the virus as soon as possible. In both health and economic terms we'd be much much better off. Instead we've ended up in the worst of both worlds.
The science he was told about herd immunity, he tried everyone moaned so he locked us down.
 

djr8369

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Johnson seems to have lost control of local government, lost control of the virus and thrown in the towel on Brexit negotiations (yeah I know it’s probably an awful bluff he has already played 17 times) in one week. Absolute shit show. It would be funny if he wasn’t backed by maniacs who will stay with him while the country falls apart.
 
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clint van damme

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The science he was told about herd immunity, he tried everyone moaned so he locked us down.
because it's highly unlikely to work without a vaccine. And like most people, I'm not an expert just what I've read about since this think started and it seems to be the consensus among many scientists though no doubt you'll dig up some crack pot like Sikora who states otherwise but that doesn't prove it to be true.
 
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fernandopartridge

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The science he was told about herd immunity, he tried everyone moaned so he locked us down.
No. Herd immunity was the cover used for not following the correct course of action. Not least because of the extent to which his government and its predecessors had decimated the state's ability to respond, including ignoring recommendations from Operation Cygnus.
 

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Herd immunity would maybe also have been a viable strategy had getting coronavirus made you immune. Now there's serious doubt on that, and evidence to the contrary emerging, it's probably best to not even think about it for a while.

But... science evolves, evidence emerges, that's what it does. Otherwise we'd still be using calves blood for transfusions, under the belief it calmed people with fits of rage.

like most people, I'm not an expert
It seems there's a certain I'm not an expert, but I'm going to ignore the experts' views on this because it doesn't tally with my wishes or beliefs.

And *that's* crazy.
 

wingy

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I blame Corbyn .
Calling the election when he did .
Couldn't have been a worse time for these lot to be still shagging themselves on the brilliance of the result .
There pants were firmly round their ankles .
Absolutely blind.
 

Kieranp96

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No, just no. Not remotely what happened and herd immunity isn’t a viable strategy. It’s something you achieve eventually after years and/or a vaccine.
Not saying it was but people didn't want lockdown so he tried herd immunity on the advice of his advisors, like 2 weeks later they l oked down as people were complaining about cases deaths ect, my point is you can't please everybody especially in todays day of age.
 

Kieranp96

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because it's highly unlikely to work without a vaccine. And like most people, I'm not an expert just what I've read about since this think started and it seems to be the consensus among many scientists though no doubt you'll dig up some crack pot like Sikora who states otherwise but that doesn't prove it to be true.
No my point is you can't please very one no matter what somebody moans.
 

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Not saying it was but people didn't want lockdown so he tried herd immunity on the advice of his advisors, like 2 weeks later they l oked down as people were complaining about cases deaths ect, my point is you can't please everybody especially in todays day of age.
Honestly, nothing else to say to this other than its complete shite.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Not saying it was but people didn't want lockdown so he tried herd immunity on the advice of his advisors, like 2 weeks later they l oked down as people were complaining about cases deaths ect, my point is you can't please everybody especially in todays day of age.
Defending the useless twat at every turn
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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We previously shielded everyone and that didn't work.

That was your original quote. Maybe I'm mad but when we talk about everyone I assume that to include the people in care homes.

Besides which we had the lockdown and the number of cases, deaths etc fell. We've opened stuff up and their rising again. So it's easy to argue that it did work as there's a correlation. Of course there will likely be other factors (the change in temperatures etc) that made a difference but when you look at other places like Brazil with a hotter climate than us that didn't shut down and their cases haven't dropped off it adds more credibility to the thought it was the lockdown that had the bigger effect than the weather.
Right, ok. Did we shield a lot of people who weren't vulnerable? Yes we did.
 

djr8369

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Not saying it was but people didn't want lockdown so he tried herd immunity on the advice of his advisors, like 2 weeks later they l oked down as people were complaining about cases deaths ect, my point is you can't please everybody especially in todays day of age.
No, this still isn’t what happened either.
 
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Right, ok. Did we shield a lot of people who weren't vulnerable? Yes we did.
I think you're getting shielding mixed up with something else. People that were told to shield were not allowed to leave the house at all. They also had to distance from anyone in their household - the advise was not to be in the same room.
 

clint van damme

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Decent article

 

djr8369

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Decent article

Good read.
The optimism for a vaccine always seemed to be clutching at straws.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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The science he was told about herd immunity, he tried everyone moaned so he locked us down.
No. He argued for herd immunity against the scientific experts. Experts would've locked down sooner and probably harder and if they had it wouldn't have got as bad as it did and we'd have been able to open up more quickly.

With no guarantee of immunity to reinfection, no vaccine forthcoming and even uncertainty at the time of the potency, infectiousness or longer term health implications of the virus herd immunity was never a viable option other than for someone who wants to put economics first (and even them it would've turned out to be a shit idea).
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Thing is, it is popular in the country, just not among his party.

The way we're going we're missing the slot anyway, and we need substantially longer locked down.
I wouldn't call it 'popular', as in people actively want to do it. It's more a begrudging acceptance that it's what's needed. Like me having fruit and veg everyday doesn't mean I like or enjoy it - I'd love to be able to eat junk all the time - but I accept it's far better for me if I do.

Looking at it now it does look like with hindsight we should've locked down two weeks ago. With the lag between infection and serious problems it could get grim by the start of November.