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djr8369

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,361
Sick Boy said:
Companies have to promote WFH where possible, it is now illegal for them to maintain a full workplace. I was going to the office as normal last but am now working from home. Italy is majorly behind to attitudes towards WFH though.
I think takeaways count as an essential service, as do supermarkets, so both are open.
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I think they’ll be more push back here. Speaking to friends most in big companies already WFH but lots saying they’ve been told they need to be in.


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djr8369

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,362
Coronavirus: No 10’s strategy switch may save 250,000 lives — The Times and The Sunday Times





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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,363
Sky Blue Pete said:
You know data and it’s wonderful ability and it’s flaws. It’s not one or the other. It’s both. It’s not they fucked up and everyone else did things great and even if it was to be the case it is way too soon to call it. It is also not based on numbers infected it’s number of deaths. The estimate that doing nothing would wipe out 5000000 people down to a figure of tens of thousands following the path we are now on seems to be a performance indicator that the government and experts should be judged on
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Sorry Pete but everyone could see the data and was screaming at them to change course. The idea we wouldn’t be affected like every other country in the world was just ridiculous.
 
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tisza

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,364
djr8369 said:
The real worry is if a lot of people are sick or just on lockdown the supply chains start to struggle. Does anyone know if the countries in full lock down let jobs like this continue? What about power stations? Data centres?


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We're getting towards a full lockdown here in Hungary. Reduced opening hours, schools closed, self-quaranting, borders closed to all non-citizens etc.
A lot of those that can are working from home.
Supply chain has been struggling on some items for 10-14 days. People abusing the panic buying rules by sending in several people from same household to buy same items.
Irregular supplies of meat, some veg, paper products, household cleaning goods (disinfectants), vitamins and supplements. (these non-food items in particular have largely been absent for 2 weeks). We're told that stocks are available in Hungarian depots and neighbouring country depots but transport can't keep up with the demand.
We're told power stations etc. can manage demand as heating requirements in particular are falling week by week as weather warms up.
But it's blatantly obvious health system won't be able to cope if it gets more "lively". also Hungary is way behind on testing due to lack of facilities
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,365
I still can't get my head around it. The entire world puts in measures to flatten the curve, yet our government thought we could do the same by… just letting it run. It's incredible. At least they have finally seen sense, some consolation I suppose.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,366
People making it about political point scoring are getting tiresome.

Just as if it's a stick to beat either party with.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,367
Government changed it strategy to save lives and the same people still moaning and bitching, need to have a good look at yourselves

Lets leave it to the experts yeah?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,368
Nick said:
People making it about political point scoring are getting tiresome.

Just as if it's a stick to beat either party with.
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Sorry Nick but it is political. Our government made a catastrophic error of judgement that will cost lives and they should be properly scrutinised for it.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,369
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Government changed it strategy to save lives and the same people still moaning and bitching, need to have a good look at yourselves
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Haha you don't get it do you. You need to have a look at yourself for defending them to the hilt when the rest of the world was telling them they were doing it wrong.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,370
PVA said:
Haha you don't get it do you. You need to have a look at yourself for defending them to the hilt when the rest of the world was telling them they were doing it wrong.
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Stop making it political, you just can't help yourself can you when we should all be sticking together? Embarrassing mate
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,371
shmmeee said:
Sorry Pete but everyone could see the data and was screaming at them to change course. The idea we wouldn’t be affected like every other country in the world was just ridiculous.
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Yeah it was bizarre and seen as arrogant here.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,372
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Stop making it political, you just can't help yourself can you when we should all be sticking together? Embarrassing mate
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Just admit your precious Boris got it wrong and we can all move on mate.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,373
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Stop making it political, you just can't help yourself can you when we should all be sticking together? Embarrassing mate
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Most countries are apart from Trump.
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,374
Nick said:
People making it about political point scoring are getting tiresome.

Just as if it's a stick to beat either party with.
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Whoever was in power at the moment would be under the same intense scrutiny though. However you look at it there is a political element to this because it is the politicians making the decisions about how we get through it. And yes, it really is the politicians making the decisions.

It is also a fact that we have the most libertarian government of recent times, when perhaps the polar opposite would have been better?

It’s also a fact that the NHS has been chronically underfunded over the last ten years or more, and now it isn’t fit for this purpose. How can there not be a political angle? It’s a great opportunity to reinforce why having a well-funded, equipped and staffed health system is so important even when we think nothing drastic is happening. If there was a bit more slack in the system it wouldn’t be getting overwhelmed so easily.

Political points everywhere, hard to ignore them.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,375
Johnson is starting to look increasingly uncomfortable and out of his depth.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,376
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Whoever was in power at the moment would be under the same intense scrutiny though. However you look at it there is a political element to this because it is the politicians making the decisions about how we get through it. And yes, it really is the politicians making the decisions.

It is also a fact that we have the most libertarian government of recent times, when perhaps the polar opposite would have been better?

It’s also a fact that the NHS has been chronically underfunded over the last ten years or more, and now it isn’t fit for this purpose. How can there not be a political angle? It’s a great opportunity to reinforce why having a well-funded, equipped and staffed health system is so important even when we think nothing drastic is happening. If there was a bit more slack in the system it wouldn’t be getting overwhelmed so easily.

Political points everywhere, hard to ignore them.
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Exactly. The only people saying 'don't make this political' are the ones who vehemently support this government. Of course you're perfectly entitled to support any party and any government, but you also have to be able to criticise and scrutinise them when needed.

Like you say, it's pretty impossible for this not to become political.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,377
PVA said:
Exactly. The only people saying 'don't make this political' are the ones who vehemently support this government. Of course you're perfectly entitled to support any party and any government, but you also have to be able to criticise and scrutinise them when needed.

Like you say, it's pretty impossible for this not to become political.
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Not at all. I couldn't give a shit about conservatives or labour.

People bursting a blood vessel just to point score is over the top.

Just saying the opposite of their opposition party and going with that.

Its probably why people are getting so worked up.

Rest in peace the economy and thousands of small businesses. Won't need long until there are people with pitchforks telling people they can't leave the house.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,378
Nick said:
Rest in peace the economy and thousands of small businesses. Won't need long until there are people with pitchforks telling people they can't leave the house.
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Well hopefully we will follow France's lead and look after the people AND the economy.

As Macron (pompous oaf according to Grendel) said yesterday 'No business will be allowed to go bankrupt'.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,379
PVA said:
As Macron (pompous oaf according to Grendel) said yesterday 'No business will be allowed to go bankrupt'.
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G didn't say that did he
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,380
Whoever is responsible for procurement of ventilators in the NHS should be sacked also. Actually tweeting for manufacturers to call a hotline to discuss making them no with all of the pre-production setup and procurement of parts etc. Wonder what the lead-time is for a company to make medical-grade equipment in car-part factories...
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,381
Nick said:
Not at all. I couldn't give a shit about conservatives or labour.

People bursting a blood vessel just to point score is over the top.

Just saying the opposite of their opposition party and going with that.

Its probably why people are getting so worked up.

Rest in peace the economy and thousands of small businesses. Won't need long until there are people with pitchforks telling people they can't leave the house.
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The government could have helped the economy by testing and tracking cases but hasn't bothered, the only option left now is social distancing so the economy is knackered.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,382
PVA said:
Well hopefully we will follow France's lead and look after the people AND the economy.

As Macron (pompous oaf according to Grendel) said yesterday 'No business will be allowed to go bankrupt'.
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Its all well and good saying that but I'm pretty sure they will.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,383
SkyBlueDom26 said:
G didn't say that did he
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Yes he said it yesterday.

I don't think he responded when I pointed out the measures Macron announced yesterday to save businesses.
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,384
Nick said:
People making it about political point scoring are getting tiresome.

Just as if it's a stick to beat either party with.
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Is it political point scoring or just analysing the situation? It’s not like labour get to have a go next or wouldn’t have listened to the same experts.


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djr8369

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,385
Sick Boy said:
Yeah it was bizarre and seen as arrogant here.
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Was going to ask how the U.K. attitude, both governmental and public, is being perceived abroad?

Was talking to a friend in Ireland and he was aghast that we were living our lives as normal over the weekend and don’t seem to comprehend the situation.


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Malaka

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,386
mark82 said:
Complete Malakas.
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Every single one of them!
 

Mcbean

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,387
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Whoever is responsible for procurement of ventilators in the NHS should be sacked also. Actually tweeting for manufacturers to call a hotline to discuss making them no with all of the pre-production setup and procurement of parts etc. Wonder what the lead-time is for a company to make medical-grade equipment in car-part factories...
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Quality assured ventilators on ebay from China !
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,388
PVA said:
Well hopefully we will follow France's lead and look after the people AND the economy.

As Macron (pompous oaf according to Grendel) said yesterday 'No business will be allowed to go bankrupt'.
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Macron says a lot of things - and usually delivers the opposite
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,389
Mcbean said:
Quality assured ventilators on ebay from China !
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Secondhand?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,390
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Whoever is responsible for procurement of ventilators in the NHS should be sacked also. Actually tweeting for manufacturers to call a hotline to discuss making them no with all of the pre-production setup and procurement of parts etc. Wonder what the lead-time is for a company to make medical-grade equipment in car-part factories...
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It'll be on frameworks but at an individual trust level. There is no NHS purchasing at genuinely national level apart from pharmaceuticals.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,391
Grendel said:
Macron says a lot of things - and usually delivers the opposite
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Sounds familiar.

Can you think of another pompous oaf who says a lot of things and delivers the opposite?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,392
PVA said:
Sounds familiar.

Can you think of another pompous oaf who says a lot of things and delivers the opposite?
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Yes sturgeon and that pipsqueak that runs Ireland
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,393
Grendel said:
Yes sturgeon and that pipsqueak that runs Ireland
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It's good but it's not right!
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,394
djr8369 said:
Was going to ask how the U.K. attitude, both governmental and public, is being perceived abroad?

Was talking to a friend in Ireland and he was aghast that we were living our lives as normal over the weekend and don’t seem to comprehend the situation.


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There was the same attitude here up until the start of the lockdown, I fully expect the UK to suffer the same fate as here because of it too.
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 17, 2020
  • #3,395
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Stop making it political, you just can't help yourself can you when we should all be sticking together? Embarrassing mate
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everything is political, this situation s highly political. Ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
And if the government gets it right, you'll be shouting it from the rooftops, if you say otherwise you're lying.
 
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