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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 27, 2020
  • #32,761
Sky Blue Pete said:
You need to select about the app
And then manage my data and you can change the postcode
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Cheers Pete wasn’t obvious
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 27, 2020
  • #32,762
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s about creating a perception of being seen to make progress. Like sending people back to school and uni, or stopping the briefings, or releasing half baked apps
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Loads of people complaining that they are unable to check in and all the the app people say is "you need to use an official NHS QR code" but people were. They can't check into places like Maccies etc.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 27, 2020
  • #32,763
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Cheers Pete wasn’t obvious
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True but it’s far from shit. My uni experts think it will make a big difference
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2020
  • #32,764
David O'Day said:
Loads of people complaining that they are unable to check in and all the the app people say is "you need to use an official NHS QR code" but people were. They can't check into places like Maccies etc.
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To be fair I’ve checked in at 2 different places with no problem
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 27, 2020
  • #32,765
Sky Blue Pete said:
True but it’s far from shit. My uni experts think it will make a big difference
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I didn’t say it was?
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 27, 2020
  • #32,766
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I didn’t say it was?
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I did and I don't think it will make much difference
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,767
Right Said Fred were going around with QAnon signs at the weekend in London, they think COVID is a hoax and have started blocking the many people now referring to them as ‘Far Right Said Fred. I find this information both very bizarre and very amusing
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,768
Ring Of Steel said:
Right Said Fred were going around with QAnon signs at the weekend in London, they think COVID is a hoax and have started blocking the many people now referring to them as ‘Far Right Said Fred. I find this information this both very bizarre and very amusing
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Hasn't the fella behind QAnon been outed as the far right paedophile enabler behind 8chan?
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,769
I hate when people say famous people should stay out of politics but I've had to now get rid of my Right Said Fred albums as well as only listen to 3/4 of my Corrs stuff. Thankfully my Jedward shelf is pristine and intact
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,770
The world is a strange place indeed when Jedward are the voice of reason!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,771
David O'Day said:
Yep it's glitchy as fuck. You'd think a tracing app would make use of the geolocation features and work out where you are.

They haven't really fixed the app test results issue either as you then have to go and actually request a code.

Why have we released a half finished app that adds very little. Money would of been better spent on the local PH teams who are experience track and tracers.
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But then none of theri rich mates and donors would be making any money and we can't be having that now!
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,772
Not fit for purpose.......no alarms, no surprises. We're doomed.

Test and trace: 'I spoke to one person in four months'

People who worked for England's NHS Test and Trace tell of technical problems, confusion and wasted resources.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,773
If it still carries on at this rate in 10 days time then we must start questioning restrictions surely? We're what pushing 2 weeks since cases started spiking again?
 

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David O'Day

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,774
Saddlebrains said:
If it still carries on at this rate in 10 days time then we must start questioning restrictions surely? We're what pushing 2 weeks since cases started spiking again?
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No because it started like this in both Spain and France and they are now starting to show 3 figure deaths totals.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,775
Saddlebrains said:
If it still carries on at this rate in 10 days time then we must start questioning restrictions surely? We're what pushing 2 weeks since cases started spiking again?
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The death peak won't happen for a while yet, given that 1/3 of people who go into ICU end up dead, and the numbers in ICU are growing day on day, the deaths will inevitably follow.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,776
But why?

First peak everyone confidently said its 3 weeks before any major uptick in deaths from cases.

We're 2 weeks down the line now so surely you'd be seeing something is all im saying? Not that it will or wont happen.


One thing for certain is Whitty And Vallances graph to scare the shit out of everyone is looking a bit far fetched
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,777
David O'Day said:
No because it started like this in both Spain and France and they are now starting to show 3 figure deaths totals.
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Where are you finding that? I've just googled and got this?
 

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chiefdave

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,778
Saddlebrains said:
First peak everyone confidently said its 3 weeks before any major uptick in deaths from cases.
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That's the expected timeframe for a rise in cases rather than deaths isn't it?
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,779
chiefdave said:
That's the expected timeframe for a rise in cases rather than deaths isn't it?
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No not as far as im aware. Cases rise exponentially due to how virile the disease is, spreads like wildfire as we know.

The 2-4 week wait is from a spike in cases to a spike in deaths. Which is what we saw first time round. We're 3 weeks into the second peak and deaths staying flat
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,780
Saddlebrains said:
No not as far as im aware. Cases rise exponentially due to how virile the disease is, spreads like wildfire as we know.

The 2-4 week wait is from a spike in cases to a spike in deaths. Which is what we saw first time round. We're 3 weeks into the second peak and deaths staying flat
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Assumed there was a lag in people testing positive as every time there's been a big event people have said wait 2-3 weeks to see the impact on cases.

From what is being said about current cases if we're following the same pattern as France and Spain the initial surge in cases is in younger people who then pass it on. We're told younger people are likely to be less seriously affected, would that explain the reason its taking longer for the death rate to increase?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,781
chiefdave said:
Assumed there was a lag in people testing positive as every time there's been a big event people have said wait 2-3 weeks to see the impact on cases.

From what is being said about current cases if we're following the same pattern as France and Spain the initial surge in cases is in younger people who then pass it on. We're told younger people are likely to be less seriously affected, would that explain the reason its taking longer for the death rate to increase?
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Potentially. Just seems strange how theres not been a massive spike in deaths abroad either after a second wave.


I was speaking to my friend who works at UHCW Thursday. He made a bold comment that i find hard to disagree with.


'Whilst shielding the elderly and trying to give them an extra year or 2, we are actually endangering the middle aged due to the backlog in cancer treatments, cardiology check ups etc'

We may be giving Ethel aged 86 another year or 2 but we're knocking 25 years off Dave aged 44'

Sobering really
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,782
Saddlebrains said:
Potentially. Just seems strange how theres not been a massive spike in deaths abroad either after a second wave.


I was speaking to my friend who works at UHCW Thursday. He made a bold comment that i find hard to disagree with.


'Whilst shielding the elderly and trying to give them an extra year or 2, we are actually endangering the middle aged due to the backlog in cancer treatments, cardiology check ups etc'

We may be giving Ethel aged 86 another year or 2 but we're knocking 25 years off Dave aged 44'

Sobering really
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If your mate works at UHCW he should be well aware it's killed 650 front line staff.
Your comment about giving Ethel a couple more years is flippant and disengenious.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,783
Saddlebrains said:
But why?

First peak everyone confidently said its 3 weeks before any major uptick in deaths from cases.

We're 2 weeks down the line now so surely you'd be seeing something is all im saying? Not that it will or wont happen.


One thing for certain is Whitty And Vallances graph to scare the shit out of everyone is looking a bit far fetched
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First peak we didn’t spot until late and only tested those presenting at hospital. So any early slow burn among the younger working age population goes unnoticed. That’s where we are now. That’s why you can’t compare case numbers because the real case numbers back in March were a lot higher than reported.

The next step is that the virus spreads to the older more vulnerable population who by definition are more segmented from society.

One hope is that the most vulnerable were the ones that died off in the first wave so the mortality from the second wave won’t be as bad. But we won’t know until we get there.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,784
Only 4004 so maybe the managing of things is working. I know it’s Monday though
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,785
Another point about let her rip type strategies: it’s not just about deaths, it’s about all that comes with deaths: overloaded admin services, bodies piling up unable to be buried, hospitals overrun and unable to cope with normal service. The politicial impact alone of mass graves or body piles in the U.K. would mean no government that has any self preservation instincts would allow that to happen.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,786
Saddlebrains said:
Potentially. Just seems strange how theres not been a massive spike in deaths abroad either after a second wave.


I was speaking to my friend who works at UHCW Thursday. He made a bold comment that i find hard to disagree with.


'Whilst shielding the elderly and trying to give them an extra year or 2, we are actually endangering the middle aged due to the backlog in cancer treatments, cardiology check ups etc'

We may be giving Ethel aged 86 another year or 2 but we're knocking 25 years off Dave aged 44'

Sobering really
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it would be if it wasn't total bullshit
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,787
clint van damme said:
If your mate works at UHCW he should be well aware it's killed 650 front line staff.
Your comment about giving Ethel a couple more years is flippant and disengenious.
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He does and got redeployed to the covid wards in April. No such thing happening this time around, i wonder why.

and i dont feel its disingenuous, It's true. Ok i maybe could have worded the comment better, but Its still massively, massively rare it kills anyone who isnt elderly or withoutany underlying conditions.

Yet the knock on effect is hundreds of thousands of people are going to be on the path to advanced/aggressive cancer due to not being able to receive the fantastic treatment we receive from the NHS.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,788
I feel like we're in groundhog day...
 
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David O'Day

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,789
Saddlebrains said:
Where are you finding that? I've just googled and got this?
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That's a Sunday and the very same graph shows 150 reported deaths on Friday.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,790
Ring Of Steel said:
it would be if it wasn't total bullshit
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Inform me how its total bullshit then?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,791
David O'Day said:
That's a Sunday and the very same graph shows 150 reported deaths on Friday.
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Compared to 2000 a day at the previous peak.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,792
Saddlebrains said:
Compared to 2000 a day at the previous peak.
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We don’t know if we’ve reached the peak of the second wave yet.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,793
Saddlebrains said:
Compared to 2000 a day at the previous peak.
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And? What does that have to with anything? France deaths are starting to rise again and we are following a similar path were the original rise in cases was in the young and it starts to spread to the more vulnerable. As FP said ICU cases are rising and at the moment around a 1/3 of thos poor people die.

No one said France was anywhere near what it was at it's peak so I'm not sure why you would compare now to then?
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,794
Saddlebrains said:
He does and got redeployed to the covid wards in April. No such thing happening this time around, i wonder why.

and i dont feel its disingenuous, It's true. Ok i maybe could have worded the comment better, but Its still massively, massively rare it kills anyone who isnt elderly or withoutany underlying conditions.

Yet the knock on effect is hundreds of thousands of people are going to be on the path to advanced/aggressive cancer due to not being able to receive the fantastic treatment we receive from the NHS.
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How do you get hundreds of thousands will be on their way to advanced cancer?
There will be people in that position,.There are people in that position but how do you get such a high figure?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 28, 2020
  • #32,795
Sky Blue Pete said:
Only 4004 so maybe the managing of things is working. I know it’s Monday though
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The estimates of new hospital cases seem to have peaked last week and has been on the decline, but no data for today as yet.
 
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