shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Cases aren’t really comparable to the start when we were only testing those presenting to hospital really. We’re probably picking up 10-20 times more than we were then (numbers from my ass)
Same rhetoric as was about for the first lockdown (once they'd dropped the herd immunity nonsense (publically at least)) but we failed to do any of it. It looks like we're going to fail again and are about to make all the same mistakes we did first time round. I'm still clinging to the hope that deaths are staying relatively low compared to cases compared to before, but that could start to change if more people require hospitalisation and health services start to get stretched. I'm not pinning my hopes on a vaccine, as great as that'd be, and effective tracking and tracing isn't going to happen if they're obsessed with ensuring testing contracts go to private industry run by their mates.
Last time it was annoying that they didn't heed what was going on abroad and use it to make their plans. This time they're seemingly not only ignoring the similar trends in Europe like last time but also their own experiences. Except this time I doubt they'll even lockdown.
"Save a grand, not a granny"
Cases aren’t really comparable to the start when we were only testing those presenting to hospital really. We’re probably picking up 10-20 times more than we were then (numbers from my ass)
About 4-5 times from my mine.Cases aren’t really comparable to the start when we were only testing those presenting to hospital really. We’re probably picking up 10-20 times more than we were then (numbers from my ass)
Good point.
But the upward trend is still worrying and I fear we'll sleepwalk into another situation whereby people start needing hospitalising as it spreads into the more vulnerable areas, plus as we go into flu season the effect of possibly having two bad respiratory diseases at once, the system becomes stretched and people start dying in greater numbers, At which point Hancock et al will be out blaming the public for (not) doing something. Or the hospital/care workers for (not) following guidelines. Basically anything but their own incompetence and inability to lead.
The reports that care homes are being coerced into taking positive patients are shocking and shows that not only have they learnt nothing, they don't care. If it were a home their own parent/grandparent was in and it was taking in Covid positive patients they'd be the first up in arms about it. Complete lack of empathy, which for me is requirement no.1 to hold public office.
People have had enough of the experts...Of course it's relevant, if the scope is so broad that it includes 50% of the population then the 307 number is utterly meaningless. Why are epidemiologists so nervous about it? Why are critical care consultants so worried about it?
Cases aren’t really comparable to the start when we were only testing those presenting to hospital really. We’re probably picking up 10-20 times more than we were then (numbers from my ass)
tbf, if they decide to put steps in place now to stop it spiralling any more, that would at least be learning from last time. Will also give more of a chance of avoiding such drastic measures again so would be better for the economy...
Could we New Zealand it this time? Cut travel out pretty much completely then a short lockdown to stop its spread here? Would people go for that or has the crazy horse bolted now and people won’t be told what to do?
I think we lost our chance of that, when we opened up a couple of weeks too early, before we'd squashed it fully flat. Think our best hope is indeed keep it manageable. I fear end October could be bad though - tbf it seems government are at least listening to experts just atm, at least... we'll see if the message is remotely intelligible this time around!Could we New Zealand it this time? Cut travel out pretty much completely then a short lockdown to stop its spread here? Would people go for that or has the crazy horse bolted now and people won’t be told what to do?
Remember when we weren't supposed to travel to Greece and the prime minister's own father found a loophole around it and laughed his cock off at the rest of us? Some people hold that sort of behavior up as inspirational it seems.Could we New Zealand it this time? Cut travel out pretty much completely then a short lockdown to stop its spread here? Would people go for that or has the crazy horse bolted now and people won’t be told what to do?
It may not be meant that way but when we're in the middle of a pandemic and there's a highly contagious, potentially deadly virus you must be able to see why people would have issue with what can come across as screw the vulnerable, lets just open everything up and hope for the best.Well, you can stop being so dramatic with point number two. In fact, I'm not even going to answer that it is such a ridiculous thing to say.
Where is that figure from mate? Tried googling it and not seeing anything come up.If it is true, and only 307 'healthy' people have died then that is extremely far from the notions that have been put out.
Israel having a 3 week national lockdown
tbf, if they decide to put steps in place now to stop it spiralling any more, that would at least be learning from last time. Will also give more of a chance of avoiding such drastic measures again so would be better for the economy...
Yeah, tbf I was trying to be positive!It's mostly window dressing though isn't it. Like shmmeee or someone else said previously. There was a quid pro quo to the first lockdown:
The public comply with lockdown measures
The government implement measures to avoid the need for a future lockdown (testing capacity, effective track and trace, hospital capacity, coordinated financial support for people effected by local lockdowns etc)
As I see it, the public kept its side of the bargain but the government has failed on its side, yet tries to blame the public for it.
Yep I suppose it’s what is covered by underlying health conditions. Asthma? Diabetes? Obesity?
Have you seen the scope of 'underlying health conditions'? it's massive and includes a big 'other' group which is the non obvious stuff.
Completely agree with these posts. People talk about underlying conditions like it refers to people already at deaths door. I'd be classed as having, at least, two underlying conditions yet nothing that impacts my day to day life. I've had two days sick off work in the last 15 years and that was to go into hospital for an op!Do you know how many people are overweight, or smoke, or have asthma, or have a bowel disease? It's most of the population. Even young people at the peak of fitness might have heart or lung issues undiagnosed.
I'd suggest you are correct that it was a PR exercise. Seems when hospitals that were overflowing tried to transfer patients there they were told it wasn't possible as there was no staff.I just don't understand what the Nightingale is for. My understanding from colleagues who worked on it was that it was for step down care for people coming out of hospital. This just suggests it was a complete gimmick.
Could we New Zealand it this time? Cut travel out pretty much completely then a short lockdown to stop its spread here? Would people go for that or has the crazy horse bolted now and people won’t be told what to do?
I'd suggest you are correct that it was a PR exercise. Seems when hospitals that were overflowing tried to transfer patients there they were told it wasn't possible as there was no staff.
Nurse shortage causes Nightingale hospital to turn away patients
Exclusive: Covid-19 patient transfers to new London facility cancelled owing to lack of ICU nurseswww.theguardian.com
I think we lost our chance of that, when we opened up a couple of weeks too early, before we'd squashed it fully flat. Think our best hope is indeed keep it manageable. I fear end October could be bad though - tbf it seems government are at least listening to experts just atm, at least... we'll see if the message is remotely intelligible this time around!
So their economy shrank by 12.2% and ours by 20.4%New Zealand backs lockdown strategy despite record contraction
Economy shrinks 12.2% but Wellington adamant restrictions will lead to strong recoverywww.ft.com
Coronavirus: 'Widespread virus growth across the country'
The R number has risen to between 1.1 and 1.4 as officials warn of "far worse things to come".www.bbc.co.uk
He's a disingenuous c**tHancock being economical with the truth re the 6.4 miles as the average distance travelled for the Covid test. He’s used the median to avoid the skewing upwards
of those folk who may have travelled long distances but more crucially the stat doesn’t include people who were offered the tests perhaps at ridiculous distances and did not take them.
Over 20 deaths again tooI'm surprised that testing is picking up such a high proportion of cases if the 6000 figure is accurate. By the time you take off the asymptomatic cases (20 to 40% depending on which research you use), those who can't get a test who have it and those who think they probably have a cold and don't get a test and so on it's a pretty high %.
4300 odd positives this afternoon.
And many other types of cunts besides.He's a disingenuous c**t
Basically think of any type of c**t. That’s Matt Hancock.He's a disingenuous c**t
Complete wanker and interesting not giving a toss about being on cctvIt would be nice to think that the guy would be given a minimum of 5 years for this.
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