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skybluesam66

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  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,521
David O'Day said:
The bit you highlighted doesn't day any was it gives a hypothetical scenario. It does not say anyone actually did.

It's hypothetical and it doesn't claim that anyone was listed after being hit by a bus. The sentence could of read as below and meant the same thing as the sentence doesn't actually claim anyone was listed after being hit by a bus 3 months later.

"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were abducted by aliens"

Come back to me when you can read.
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Please read the bottom sentence in my quote. It doesnt specifically say a bus - but does say however you die it was treated as Covid
The bus was an example - I know people on the scale do struggle with examples

if you are struggling with that I despair at education in this country

At least your grades will be on triple lock
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,522
skybluesam66 said:
Please read the bottom sentence in my quote
if you are struggling with that I despair at education in this country

At least your grades will be on triple lock
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" Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death "

You mean this sentence that doesn't even mention buses?

Can you prove anyone who had coronavirus was actually run over by a bus if you want to take this equally flawed line? According to the ONJS 1748 people were killed in RTAs in 2019. If we say 10% of them were caused by buses (which is a massive over estimation) then 175 people were killed by buses in 2018 which equates to about 14.6 people dying after being run over by a bus each month in 2019. If we take the months of April, May, June and July then at that rate about 58.5 people were run over by a bus. What is the likelyhood that any of those 58 and a half people had ever had covid-19? This is without factoring in the every decling number of deaths in RTAs, the fact you are more likely to get run over in darker winter months and the fact that less people are out and about to be run over which means the actual number of people run over by a bus in the allotted time period is a fraction of that.

So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus is a) a hypothetical sentence and the vague chance that some was run over by a bus after contracting covid-19.

This education system you mock seemed to have clearly failed you.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,523
beyond words.......

Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus. (was what I said)

So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus (is what you translated that into)

Hopefully you can see the failure in your comprehension

so to not mess with your condition further I will say, yes you are of course right. Thankyou so much for pointing this out - well done. Note to self (must do better)
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,524
skybluesam66 said:
Deaths down by 5000 and now only 100 a week
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No, the deaths still occurred and they've just put an arbitrary time limit of 28 days from infection when a death that a doctor has recorded was caused by COVID-19 can be included in the stats. It's the usual smoke and mirror tactic.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,525
skybluesam66 said:
Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus.
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That is bollocks
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,526
skybluesam66 said:
yes, so that is an anomaly the other way, but the "knocked off your bike" was removed from the count today as yes it was nonsense, that is why it was removed . Please read up . This was only in England not the rest of the uk. Basically over time the death rate from covid would have been 100% as eventually they would have all died. This is removing this anomaly

UK 'overestimates' coronavirus death toll: study

Britain ordered an urgent review Friday into how coronavirus deaths are counted after a study suggested health authorities are overestimating the toll by counting people who died long after recovering.
medicalxpress.com
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That's a crank site
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 12, 2020
  • #30,527
skybluesam66 said:
"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later,"

you really are in a different world

And you also think it acceptable to insult . I suggest you both open your mind and educate yourself - as from all of your posts, there is something clearly lacking

Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death when they died,
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You are wrong
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,528
skybluesam66 said:
beyond words.......

Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus. (was what I said)

So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus (is what you translated that into)

Hopefully you can see the failure in your comprehension

so to not mess with your condition further I will say, yes you are of course right. Thankyou so much for pointing this out - well done. Note to self (must do better)
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You've just spent about 4 posts arguing that people were included after being hit by a bus and now when you have been made to look a c**t you are pretending you did not do what you spent 4 or 5 posts doing.

Mate you are normally a joke but this a new level of stupid even for you.
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,529
fernandopartridge said:
You are wrong
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He's now claiming he didn't actually say any of what he said tonight
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,530
I would now like to ask why someone who dies of a heart attack should not be included as viruses have been shown to caused myocarditis which a definite cause of heart failure?
 
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skybluesam66

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,531
David O'Day said:
He's now claiming he didn't actually say any of what he said tonight
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I am 100% not denying what I said. And nor am I a c**t. but that says more about you if that is what you resort to

I will leave you 1 more piece of reading except bbc use the analogy of a car crash

Redirect Notice

www.google.co.uk
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,532
The guy who wants a partner to watch dogs go at it is fascinating, yet I'm drawn to the person whose dislikes solely mention Indiana Jones. There's a trauma there
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,533
Hang on a second. Is this just the daily figure out out by Public Health England that has been changed?

People have been pointing to excess deaths and the ONS stats as more accurate since this began.

Still it’s a nice distraction for the government rather than having to actually deal with the issue
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,534
chiefdave said:
Hang on a second. Is this just the daily figure out out by Public Health England that has been changed?

People have been pointing to excess deaths and the ONS stats as more accurate since this began.

Still it’s a nice distraction for the government rather than having to actually deal with the issue
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Yeah it’s more PR bollocks. The same number of people are dead they’re just trying to wriggle out of responsibility for it. And people like Sam are eating it up because otherwise they’d have to accept voting in the worst government in U.K. history because they said they’d Brexit.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,535
skybluesam66 said:
I am 100% not denying what I said. And nor am I a c**t. but that says more about you if that is what you resort to

I will leave you 1 more piece of reading except bbc use the analogy of a car crash

Redirect Notice

www.google.co.uk
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Once again you fail to prove your actual original point.

FFS mate give it up.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,536
ajsccfc said:
The guy who wants a partner to watch dogs go at it is fascinating, yet I'm drawn to the person whose dislikes solely mention Indiana Jones. There's a trauma there
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Back in the day, at a well-known bookseller, somebody ordered this:

Amazon product ASIN 0953326160
but got this:

Amazon product ASIN 0806523646
I tried to explain how there was little difference...
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,537
fernandopartridge said:
No, the deaths still occurred and they've just put an arbitrary time limit of 28 days from infection when a death that a doctor has recorded was caused by COVID-19 can be included in the stats. It's the usual smoke and mirror tactic.
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There are some people that were in hospital with this for months, so there will also be people who died specifically from coronavirus who aren't counted now as well.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,538
Quiche
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,539
No data being published by PHE today due to a glitch (I guess they haven't set up the algorithm to remove the 28 day + infected from today's figures)

Separately, just saw a Critical Care Consultant on twitter saying that they're starting to see re-admissions from home of people previously discharged from ICU. Flies in the face of the preposterous 28 day limit doesn't it?
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,540
Let's be honest, how can anybody actually believe what they are being told in regards to figures when the goalposts etc keep shifting... Farcical https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAI&usg=AOvVaw1CrKThohesV30-4qJmJOGb&ampcf=1
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,541
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/Covid-Publication-13-08-2020.xlsx

Hospital admission data is all there
 
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xcraigx

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,542

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.
www.bbc.co.uk

300 positive tests in a sandwich factory in Northampton. All of whom work there so I would guess there will be plenty of family and friends also being confirmed in the next few days.

Off the top of my head we've had breakouts in meat processing factories in Wrexham and Anglesey too in recent weeks - places that you would imagine have had to follow social distancing particularly carefully. Is this a sign of how easily and quickly the virus will spread in the cooler winter climate?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,543
xcraigx said:

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.
www.bbc.co.uk

300 positive tests in a sandwich factory in Northampton. All of whom work there so I would guess there will be plenty of family and friends also being confirmed in the next few days.

Off the top of my head we've had breakouts in meat processing factories in Wrexham and Anglesey too in recent weeks - places that you would imagine have had to follow social distancing particularly carefully. Is this a sign of how easily and quickly the virus will spread in the cooler winter climate?
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I'd check Australia etc for that answer (haven't myself) but they have swing from summer to autumn during this so we'd get a better answer from that region
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,544
xcraigx said:

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.
www.bbc.co.uk

300 positive tests in a sandwich factory in Northampton. All of whom work there so I would guess there will be plenty of family and friends also being confirmed in the next few days.

Off the top of my head we've had breakouts in meat processing factories in Wrexham and Anglesey too in recent weeks - places that you would imagine have had to follow social distancing particularly carefully. Is this a sign of how easily and quickly the virus will spread in the cooler winter climate?
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No for me its another sign that we have to get on with it because social distancing doesnt take place in a lot of places of work

My place isn't the greatest. I know a few people who work in a factory where its near enough non existent.

Look at the Ricoh tesco outbreak. The amount of staff needed in places like that and the close contact its inevitable its going to happen.


As long as you're in work the big corps dont give a shit. I'd rather not hazard a guess at the amount of people with symptoms who try and hide said symptoms because they cant afford 2 weeks statutory sick pay also.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,545
Saddlebrains said:
No for me its another sign that we have to get on with it because social distancing doesnt take place in a lot of places of work
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Mrs Wightman said Greencore had "highly effective measures in place and they continue to work extremely hard to exceed the requirements needed to be Covid-19 secure within the workplace".

She said the outbreak was "about how people behave outside of Greencore, not at work," adding if people failed to follow the rules "a possible local lockdown will follow".
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,546



Oh well it must be true if a spokesman for a company trying to cover its arse says it instead of what people see on a daily basis
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 13, 2020
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Saddlebrains said:
Oh well it must be true if a spokesman for a company trying to cover its arse says it instead of what people see on a daily basis
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Lucy Wightman, Director of Public Health at Northamptonshire County Council
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Have you read the article?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,548
Deleted member 5849 said:
Have you read the article?
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Yes i have. But its suits your rhetoric doesnt it. Like when something anti tory is posted it must be nailed on truth. ( and im neither labour mor tory, couldnt give a fuck)


End of the day, speak to people working in sectors such as retail, warehousing, delivery, childcare. Basically anything that isnt office based.


To the outside its all 'Covid certified safe'.

Is it bollocks. It's nigh on impossible without shedding a shitload of staff
 
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  • Aug 13, 2020
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Saddlebrains said:
End of the day, speak to people working in sectors such as retail, warehousing, delivery, childcare. Basically anything that isnt office based.
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I work in a non office based environment. Got friends too, amazingly enough. I haven't even said anything about this, but you apopear to be talking about something completely different to this article. It suggests you're just jumping on something to peddle your nonsense again, and it seems to suit your rhetoric to ignore completely everything that article says.

All I've done is quote things from the article and it seems to make you curiously angry. I guess it must do so when you were the one coming up with the bullshit about it going away... you seem to just want to carry on as normal and fuck anyone else.

Oh, and Northamptonshire County Council is Tory controlled. If I wanted to just slag off Tories, I'd be saying that the council were bullshitting...
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,550
Tbf I'm inclined to see saddles point on this.
Internationally there have been cases too .And farming.
Sure some will have done thing's outside of work the Gov't has deened ok .
When its endemic in a workplace across most staff something is wrong .
Demographic of staff probably younger ,female? Maybe , ethnically diverse maybe?
Low paid yes.
No support if not working.
I think we Owe as much to these people who've kept the supply chains going as much as to the medics in all honesty .
Shouldn't forget that.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,551
Saddlebrains said:
Yes i have. But its suits your rhetoric doesnt it. Like when something anti tory is posted it must be nailed on truth. ( and im neither labour mor tory, couldnt give a fuck)


End of the day, speak to people working in sectors such as retail, warehousing, delivery, childcare. Basically anything that isnt office based.


To the outside its all 'Covid certified safe'.

Is it bollocks. It's nigh on impossible without shedding a shitload of staff
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If you read the article why did you attribute the words of the LA's director of public health to the " spokesman for a company trying to cover its arse "?
 
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  • Aug 13, 2020
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wingy said:
Tbf I'm inclined to see saddles point on this.
Internationally there have been cases too .And farming.
Sure some will have done thing's outside of work the Gov't has deened ok .
When its endemic in a workplace across most staff something is wrong .
Demographic of staff probably younger ,female? Maybe , ethnically diverse maybe?
Low paid yes.
No support if not working.
I think we Owe as much to these people who've kept the supply chains going as much as to the medics in all honesty .
Shouldn't forget that.
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I'm not even saying that though! I'm saying a lockdown is planned to cut it back if things don't improve, and it's not just the factory that's at fault, but it's Northampton people relaxing outside too.

(In fact, that's close to the Tory narrative, if you really like it, but my point is it ain't going away, and we can't just go back to normal).

I'm saying if cases rise, we have to shut down to stop them rising anymore, instead of sticking our fingers in our ears and deciding it's going away because it suits us to say that because we don't want to lockdown again!

I mean, he could at least have read the article before commenting on something completely different!
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2020
  • #30,553
Article or not, my point stands, im not getting into an argument about it.


An absolute shit tonne of companies are not doing as they say they are to the outside world to follow regs. This needs clamping down on.


And as i say, how many people with a cough or sniffle are going to work anyway as losing 2 weeks full pay can result in them not being able to pay bills? Holes in the system everywhere
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 14, 2020
  • #30,554

Government quietly drops 1.3m Covid tests from England tally

Exclusive: Double counting raises fresh questions about accuracy of testing figures
www.theguardian.com

shock horror
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 14, 2020
  • #30,555
Saddlebrains said:
Article or not, my point stands, im not getting into an argument about it.


An absolute shit tonne of companies are not doing as they say they are to the outside world to follow regs. This needs clamping down on.


And as i say, how many people with a cough or sniffle are going to work anyway as losing 2 weeks full pay can result in them not being able to pay bills? Holes in the system everywhere
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That was a problem even before COVID. I’m fairly certain I had it and was left with bronchitis as well right at the start, just before lockdown. I was told in no uncertain terms I wasn’t allowed to self isolate. There’s a ridiculous culture of presenteeism and being in the office at all costs. At least the latter seems to have calmed down.
 
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