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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,791
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha you actually rate the WHO? The same organisation that bullshited about coronavirus being transmitted in the first place
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As opposed to you believing Boris and co, the people who bullshit about...
...well, everything.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,792
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha you actually rate the WHO? The same organisation that bullshited about coronavirus being transmitted in the first place
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Rate? This isn't a game show.

I'll back the worlds leading epidemilogists and virologists over you any day of the week.

You are starting to sound like donald trump now.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,793
skybluetony176 said:
As opposed to you believing Boris and co, the people who bullshit about...
...well, everything.
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Well they don’t though do they, it’s just you lot thinking they do
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,794
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well they don’t though do they, it’s just you lot thinking they do
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Okay Domald you jumped the shark a long time ago.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,795
World leading tracking trace
200,000 people tested a day
We're doing an outstanding job
We put a protective ring around care homes

I can go on for hours and I probably will
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,796
Schools are reopening
Herd immunity
Dominic Cummings didn't break any laws
Robert Jenrick was completely above board in okaying a development plan against planning board wishes
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,797
France has apart from 2 outlier days been at less than an a thousand new cases since the start of May

Spain apart from 1 day has had less than 1000 new cases a day for a month

Italy last recorded over 1000 new cases on the 12th of May

Germany last recorded a 4 figure new cases figure on the 9th of May

This is what people are trying to say Domald, these countries were in much better positions before they even looked at starting to reopen.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,798
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well they don’t though do they, it’s just you lot thinking they do
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,799
David O'Day said:
Schools are reopening
Herd immunity
Dominic Cummings didn't break any laws
Robert Jenrick was completely above board in okaying a development plan against planning board wishes
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My favourite was Hancock last week.
Guy from independent SAGE said on national TV that not locking down earlier cost live.
On Monday Hancock said he hasdn't said it.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,800
clint van damme said:
My favourite was Hancock last week.
Guy from independent SAGE said on national TV that not locking down earlier cost live.
On Monday Hancock said he hasdn't said it.
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Even better wasn't that Professor Ferguson who was a member of the official SAGE group until he got caught having his misses round that said that?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,801
David O'Day said:
Even better wasn't that Professor Ferguson who was a member of the official SAGE group until he got caught having his misses round that said that?
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It wasn't Ferguson though he backed it up on I think Monday or Tuesday.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,802
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well they don’t though do they, it’s just you lot thinking they do
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Really? So how’s the world beating track and trace system going? You believe Dominic Cummings tests his eyes by taking his family for a joy ride? You believe that the government was prepared for any eventuality on coronavirus like they claimed at the start of this? You believe they’ve delivered on PPE? You believe they’ve delivered on testing? That’s just the things of the top of my head regarding coronavirus. They said that they would release the Russian report after the election, to my knowledge that’s yet to happen, in the election campaign the Tories were caught out bang to rights on lying over 60 times. Shall I go on?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,803
Scathing attack on the government from the editor of The Lancet (medical journal)

Lancet editor attacks UK government for 'catastrophic' handling of Covid-19 pandemic


"Missed opportunities and appalling misjudgments by the government over its handing of the Covid-19 pandemic have led to the avoidable deaths of thousands of people. That is the stark view of Lancet editor Richard Horton in an interview in the Observer’s New Review this week.

Horton – whose book, The Covid-19 Catastrophe: What’s Gone Wrong and How to Stop It Happening Again – lambasts the UK management of the outbreak, describing it as the greatest science policy failure of a generation.

For good measure, Horton, who has been editor-in-chief of the Lancet for 25 years, also attacks the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) for becoming “the public relations wing of a government that had failed its people” and denounces Public Health England (PHE) for not taking proper note of the World Health Organization’s public health emergency warning about the disease. He also dismisses the UK’s response to the emergence of the Covid-19 virus as “slow, complacent and flat-footed”, a reaction that show the government was “glaringly unprepared” for the pandemic."
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,804
SkyBlueDom26 said:
It’s time to start reopening we can’t live like this forever, if some people still don’t want to go out then that’s fine stay at home but let the rest of us get back to normality
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Bloody hell.

How many times.

NO ONE IS SUGGESTING WE SHOULD LIVE LIKE THIS FOREVER
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,805
PVA said:
Bloody hell.

How many times.

NO ONE IS SUGGESTING WE SHOULD LIVE LIKE THIS FOREVER
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I've tried to say this many times to him.

I'd just prefer it to be as safe as it can be before we reopen

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,806
David O'Day said:
I'd just prefer it to be as safe as it can be before we reopen
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Having gone to the trouble of locking down in the first place, it's pretty stupid not to do this really.

Otherwise, we may as well have just carried on. Ending up fudging it between two policies means the likelihood is that neither works as it should.
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,807
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Haha you actually rate the WHO? The same organisation that bullshited about coronavirus being transmitted in the first place
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Surely more a case of them still learning about this new virus that didn't exist a year ago and that we're still finding out about
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,808
Some good news.
One of the most dangerous symptoms of corona is blood clotting and they've thing they've found a drug that prevents it in corona patients.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,809
Printing money, a new national youth corps… time to think the unthinkable | Will Hutton
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,810
clint van damme said:
Some good news.
One of the most dangerous symptoms of corona is blood clotting and they've thing they've found a drug that prevents it in corona patients.
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Yes I saw that- alongside an article about the problems that people who have COVID experience after "recovering", which was a very timely reminder that this thing is vicious in amongst all the hoohaa about shops reopening. People have needed oxygen for mths, ongoing nausea & breathing problems, ongoing blood clot problems (which hopefully we have a cure for), and an irregular heartbeat.

The article finished up by saying "this is an intelligent killer, it is so efficient that it can render the patient unable to lead a normal life for many months (if at all) after recovery from ICU"- I wouldn't be one of the people manically queuing to go buy some tat just yet .
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,811
wingy said:
Printing money, a new national youth corps… time to think the unthinkable | Will Hutton
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If he's right about unemployment that is frightening.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,812
ajsccfc said:
Surely more a case of them still learning about this new virus that didn't exist a year ago and that we're still finding out about
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I know, they only had samples of the virus in January.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,813
clint van damme said:
If he's right about unemployment that is frightening.
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Got Brexit on top of that as well. We’re lucky to have Johnson in many ways because he’s far less averse to large spending than some Tories and that’s what will be needed.

We should decarbonise our entire energy system, expand the rail network, build schools and hospitals, all of it. I’d be building social housing too.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,814
All perfectly above board I'm sure...



 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,815
shmmeee said:
We’re lucky to have Johnson in many ways because he’s far less averse to large spending than some Tories and that’s what will be needed.
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Yeah, he's not overly Tory in that respect. A George Osborne led response to this would have been truly terrifying.

The issue as ever is what Faustian pact he's made with who to take power, and how much influence they have on him to change his instincts and run with the hardcore cost cutting.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,816
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, he's not overly Tory in that respect. A George Osborne led response to this would have been truly terrifying.

The issue as ever is what Faustian pact he's made with who to take power, and how much influence they have on him to change his instincts and run with the hardcore cost cutting.
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Yeah. The problem is it’s still Tories all the way down, the backbenchers and donors will get twitchy. Also Sunak seems quite the deficit hawk.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,817
shmmeee said:
Got Brexit on top of that as well. We’re lucky to have Johnson in many ways because he’s far less averse to large spending than some Tories and that’s what will be needed.

We should decarbonise our entire energy system, expand the rail network, build schools and hospitals, all of it. I’d be building social housing too.
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I can't see Johnson been around for long once we officially leave the EU.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,818
shmmeee said:
The problem is it’s still Tories all the way down, the backbenchers and donors will get twitchy. Also Sunak seems quite the deficit hawk.
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Yep. In another world (where they had a chance of power!) Johnson would have been a Liberal really. Not many like him left, now!
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,819
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Oh ffs Dave, have you not looked at the numbers now compared to when we were at the peak

It’s time to start reopening we can’t live like this forever, if some people still don’t want to go out then that’s fine stay at home but let the rest of us get back to normality
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Declines in COVID-19 cases not due to herd immunity, says analysis | Imperial News | Imperial College London
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31357-X/fulltext
researchers found little evidence for herd immunity and concluded that the decline in cases and deaths was a result of lockdowns, behavioural shifts, social distancing and other interventions. This means that the epidemic is still at a relatively early stage and that a large proportion of the population in these areas remain susceptible to the virus. The authors suggest that no country has yet seen infection rates sufficient to prevent a second wave of transmission if lockdowns and social distancing measures were relaxed without other measures in place.
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,820
chiefdave said:
Declines in COVID-19 cases not due to herd immunity, says analysis | Imperial News | Imperial College London
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31357-X/fulltext
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Domald doesn't do science
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,821
clint van damme said:
Some good news.
One of the most dangerous symptoms of corona is blood clotting and they've thing they've found a drug that prevents it in corona patients.
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Sounds promising. I suspect that this is the way we will learn to live with this virus, treatment. If you read anything about historical research into finding a vaccination for any coronavirus ever it seems a difficult ask given it’s never been done before despite decades of research. We live in hope but I think effective treatments are more likely especially in the immediate future.

Blood clots targeted in Covid-19 treatment trial
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,822
Coronavirus: COVID-19 was brought into UK by 1,300 travellers, mainly from Europe - study finds

Another one to add to the they were lying list "I wouldn't of made any difference if we had enforced a quarantine period at the start"
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,823
David O'Day said:
Schools are reopening
Herd immunity
Dominic Cummings didn't break any laws
Robert Jenrick was completely above board in okaying a development plan against planning board wishes
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You forgot no Irish border.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,824
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
You forgot no Irish border.
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If we are going into Brexit promises there are millions more
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2020
  • #27,825
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
You forgot no Irish border.
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Fake news is fooling more conservatives than liberals. Why?
 
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