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Ian1779

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,531
Grendel said:
They close in mid June anyway don’t they?
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Yes that’s right - but when they were over 100 deaths a day they didn’t decide to open up their schools did they??
 

Sumo the Micky Quinn

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,532
Sumo the Micky Quinn said:
SpIn started this easing of lockdown 5 weeks ago. Most of us are in phase 3 (starting today) schools reopening are part of phase 4 (due in 2 weeks time & only if certain criteria is met). All our phases are opening things little by little.
Madrid and Barcelona have finally entered phase 1 today, their infection figures finally meet the criteria.

A lot of people think we have done some things too early, but unlike the UK government in Spain is a co-alition and opposition parties want things opening quicker. We are waiting to have our lockdown extended by law (officially ends 7th June, has been extended by 2 weeks every Wednesday before the earlier deadlines), but opposition parties are opposing this. The lockdown needs extending in law, to allow the easing to take place otherwise no lockdown and everything is back 'to normal' with immediate effect.
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My apology from above. Not having kids at school anymore.
My wife just informed me we are in our final phase today, schools can go back today, however they breakup in 2 weeks time for summer holidays. Schools are reopening for administration purposes, to allow children and parents to go into school and sort out all their paper of administration for the next school year. The internet here is not set up the same as the UK and most paperwork can only be done face to face.
Very frustrating.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,533
clint van damme said:
what's going on here? Is this correct and if so when are these other deaths from?

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They will likely be deaths retrospectively linked to Covid but no idea when from
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,534
Sumo the Micky Quinn said:
My apology from above. Not having kids at school anymore.
My wife just informed me we are in our final phase today, schools can go back today, however they breakup in 2 weeks time for summer holidays. Schools are reopening for administration purposes, to allow children and parents to go into school and sort out all their paper of administration for the next school year. The internet here is not set up the same as the UK and most paperwork can only be done face to face.
Very frustrating.
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I have been told today that we are to carry out socially distanced practical work with Y10 and 12 in a few weeks time. Of course, the technicians are on furlough and we will also have to remotely cater for the younger ones during the day. It will be about 10 students at a time
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,535
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have been told today that we are to carry out socially distanced practical work with Y10 and 12 in a few weeks time. Of course, the technicians are on furlough and we will also have to remotely cater for the younger ones during the day. It will be about 10 students at a time
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We’ve been discussing having Y10 in for 2 hours 3 days a week on a 2 week cycle (we have 2 bands) but only about 80 kids out of 240 have signed up to come in. So they’ll have 6 hours of school every 2 weeks. We have to continue to provide online learning for all of them so any kids that come in will have to do something different and additional to plan.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,536
Ian1779 said:
We’ve been discussing having Y10 in for 2 hours 3 days a week on a 2 week cycle (we have 2 bands) but only about 80 kids out of 240 have signed up to come in. So they’ll have 6 hours of school every 2 weeks. We have to continue to provide online learning for all of them so any kids that come in will have to do something different and additional to plan.
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With practical work actually not possible to implement I'm not sure what merit there is in bringing folk back for more theory. But our esteemed leaders have decided otherwise!
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,537
Brighton Sky Blue said:
With practical work actually not possible to implement I'm not sure what merit there is in bringing folk back for more theory. But our esteemed leaders have decided otherwise!
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They don’t appear to be that esteemed.... Outside of their own circle where they no doubt tell each other how amazing they are.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,538
Ian1779 said:
They don’t appear to be that esteemed.... Outside of their own circle where they no doubt tell each other how amazing they are.
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We gave all our goggles to the NHS and they seem to be in short supply
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,539
Sumo the Micky Quinn said:
Well according to my wife's uncle (a police officer in Bedfordshire) back in March, he said his guidelines were;

1. Politely ask people to move on.
2. If they don't, take then home not to a cell.

He was having conversations with my wife and wished he had the power the Spanish police had, by fineing people on the spot.
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That doesn’t mean it isn’t or wasn’t law. The law allows police to issue Fines if necessary but errs on the side of enforcing rather than punishing.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,540
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They will likely be deaths retrospectively linked to Covid but no idea when from
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The NHS England data will show it. Every daily count is a just the deaths reported that day that haven’t previously been reported that have occurred to date. The gov has misrepresented the data compared to how it is usually presented.
 

Sumo the Micky Quinn

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,541
fernandopartridge said:
That doesn’t mean it isn’t or wasn’t law. The law allows police to issue Fines if necessary but errs on the side of enforcing rather than punishing.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
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Apparently fines issued were associated to existing, usually anti-social laws.
There has been reports anyone fined directly associated with covid-19 will be able to appeal. However my wife's uncle told us that some chavs who have been arrested may have been told (the only way they understand at the point of arrest) that they have been arrested for breaking the rules, but their paper work will give the actual law they have broken, otherwise a court will throw it out. So when 'said chavs' go on facebook to boast/moan* (*delete as appropriate) it's usually in the language they have had it explained to them, the only language they seem to understand.

Hence why there are some lawyers waiting to defend Dominic Cummings as he hasn't broken UK law. However they were looking to see if anything associated with Barnard Castle that he 'may' have broken the law.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,542
Revealed - the legal and medical minds behind the government..
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,543
shmmeee said:
There’s two things here:

- When precisely did the first case arrive in the U.K.?
- What is the shape and time scale of the first major outbreak here?

People are conflating the first with the second to give credence to their conspiracy theories.

A small outbreak a week or two before what we previously thought was the first case does not mean it’s been ripping through the population for months and it’s all overblown.
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Wonder if they still have samples from autopsies etc from before Christmas that could be checked for the virus?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,544
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,545
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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So Johnson knows lifting this won't make it go above one, despite not having any background or training in it compared to those who've spent years studying it. Hmmmm.

That's not leadership. Churchill was a leader but he almost never went against the advice given to him. Ask yourself this - if it was a Labour leader would you be calling it leadership, or would you be calling it ignoring and overruling the experts?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,546
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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Even Boris is laughing at you for that one. Just look
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,547
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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Hang out I thought Boris was guided by science but here he is saying the science is wrong.

We all want life to be more normal but not at the potential expense of peoples lives.

Also if we do have to tighten restrictions again it will hurt the economy even more.

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Ian1779

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,548
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,549
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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"Based on the scientific advice and having test and trace up and running, it's our position that if the public follow the social distancing guidance, the measures we have taken aren’t likely to push the R rate above one."
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Presumably they have published this scientific advice so other scientists can evaluate it and confirm the government actions are correct?

Unfortunately its a bit hard to just trust Johnson with his history and given several members of SAGE have said the course of action the government is taking conflicts with the scientific advise I'd like to see the evidence they are referring to.
 

hill83

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,550
B POZZATIV
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,551
David O'Day said:
Hang out I thought Boris was guided by science but here he is saying the science is wrong.

We all want life to be more normal but not at the potential expense of peoples lives.

Also if we do have to tighten restrictions again it will hurt the economy even more.

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We won’t have to tighten again everywhere, with a now working track and trace it will only be in certain locations when we have a flair up
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,552
SkyBlueDom26 said:
We won’t have to tighten again everywhere, with a now working track and trace it will only be in certain locations when we have a flair up
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,553
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,554
SkyBlueDom26 said:
We won’t have to tighten again everywhere, with a now working track and trace it will only be in certain locations when we have a flair up
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We don't have a working track and trace system.

Dido Harding said it will not be fully operational until the end of June



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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,555
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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Dom not being funny, but why do you always take Boris' side on these things?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,556
SkyBlueDom26 said:
with a now working track and trace
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We don't have a working track and trace system. Even the government admits that won't be until the end of June.
 

hill83

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,557
I'm convinced he's on a wind up.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,558
hill83 said:
I'm convinced he's on a wind up.
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He's got to be, fair play to him if he is as it is a good un

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David O'Day

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,559
fernandopartridge said:
He's got to be, fair play to him if he is as it is a good un

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It would be like a Chris Morris character

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,560
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Boris Johnson hits back at scientists warnings over lockdown, saying lifting measures WON'T push R above one

Good to see Boris finally taking some leadership
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If the headline follows the story, that suggests he's *not* following the science...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,561
hill83 said:
I'm convinced he's on a wind up.
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He did say he was once.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,562
SkyBlueDom26 said:
We won’t have to tighten again everywhere, with a now working track and trace it will only be in certain locations when we have a flair up
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It’s not working and won’t be until the end of the month according to the person Boris appointed to set it up. So August then.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,563
Deleted member 5849 said:
He did say he was once.
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But then again, “I was just on the wind up” is a pretty common excuse thrown out by morons when they’re called out for being thick.
 

pipkin73

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,564
Sumo the Micky Quinn said:
My apology from above. Not having kids at school anymore.
My wife just informed me we are in our final phase today, schools can go back today, however they breakup in 2 weeks time for summer holidays. Schools are reopening for administration purposes, to allow children and parents to go into school and sort out all their paper of administration for the next school year. The internet here is not set up the same as the UK and most paperwork can only be done face to face.
Very frustrating.
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Thought you were at the same phase as us in GC? We are still in phase 2 with the 8th June Phase 3.
Canarias pide que el resto de las islas pasen el día 8 a la fase 3
Not sure where your wife got her info from mate.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 1, 2020
  • #26,565
shmmeee said:
View attachment 15256
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Looking at this we’ve had a second peak already, when others have only had one (bar maybe France), the question now will we have a third?

I wonder if the second peak was care homes. Start sending people out of hospital and two weeks later we have a seemingly equal curve starting.
 
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