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djr8369

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,796
clint van damme said:
Exactly. I'm sure our own Russia report will throw up some interesting stuff if it ever gets published.
This isn't about overturning results this is about minimising influence in the future.

Though when they refuse to publish the report and when Cummings refuses to appear before the select comittee you have to question why?

Social media is here to stay. We have to minimise how it can be used nefariously.
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We fortunate in that the Mueller report uncovered a lot of the stuff that had been hidden. As you say, we might never see the report over here but that has forced the social media companies to start taking some action at least.


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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,797
Grendel said:
It’s just another excuse to hang your hat on

Russia have always made grandiose claims about an ability to control of influence people - Well before social media - they are a faded power and its the only way they can pretend they have influence

If you keep that bunker mind set you’ll never win anything
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I'm just arguing it exists because some people thing Its a crackpot conspiracy theory.
If you do then you're saying the US Senate is wrong and the government called an enquiry (led by a senior Tory who's name escapes me) and Facebook are rewriting their algorithms for nothing.

It's important we get to the bottom of it because even, as if you say, Russia is a busted flush, it could be another outside actor .
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,798
Grendel said:
It’s just another excuse to hang your hat on

Russia have always made grandiose claims about an ability to control of influence people - Well before social media - they are a faded power and its the only way they can pretend they have influence

If you keep that bunker mind set you’ll never win anything
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Even if it’s not Russia, you can’t deny that there are an abundance of active bot accounts out there.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,799
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,800
Skybluefaz said:
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Well that's not good.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,801
Skybluefaz said:
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Summed odd the other day when they said the R was 0.7 - 1 but were planning to open schools and shops. I’m sure previously, when setting out the road map of steps, the R was the same and they said we can’t do anything yet as we’re too close to 1? (Which also seems obvious).


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djr8369

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,802
Skybluefaz said:
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Wait is this the alternative SAGE? In which case it will just be dismissed as partisan interference?


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clint van damme

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,803
Intersting article with a fair bit about the R rating.

The coronavirus infection rate is still too high. There will be a second wave | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian
 

Grendel

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,804
Sick Boy said:
Even if it’s not Russia, you can’t deny that there are an abundance of active bot accounts out there.
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There was of course the sensational revelation the other week on here of fake NHS accounts which were created by the government - what happened to that exclusive?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,805
djr8369 said:
Summed odd the other day when they said the R was 0.7 - 1 but were planning to open schools and shops. I’m sure previously, when setting out the road map of steps, the R was the same and they said we can’t do anything yet as we’re too close to 1? (Which also seems obvious).


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We are planning for some contact with exam classes from the 15th but nobody else. If they want others then they need to give us fair time to make the adjustments needed
 
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PVA

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,806
djr8369 said:


“You can’t compare countries” etc

I remember months ago saying we were on the same curve as Italy, it was derided by some and ignored by many. We followed their curve for weeks then went beyond it.


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It's just shocking.

It's indefensible. I don't know how anyone can defend this government's response to the pandemic.

Yet still they do.

Would like to hear Grendel and Dom.s thoughts on that link.

"Would you rather be in Italy?"
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,807
djr8369 said:
Wait is this the alternative SAGE? In which case it will just be dismissed as partisan interference?


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Can't be, it's very purpose is to be non partisan.

It was set up when it was discovered how many of the sage panel are government employees

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djr8369

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,808
Grendel said:
There was of course the sensational revelation the other week on here of fake NHS accounts which were created by the government - what happened to that exclusive?
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Here he is, wannabe Russian disinformation bot Grendel, ladies and gents.


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skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,809
Skybluefaz said:
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But Boris, Gove and the rest of the poor man’s Diane Abbott’s that make up the government these days assured us it was safe. Mind you they’re also trying to pretend that going for an hours drive with your four year old in the back to test your eyesight is a good idea so this report shouldn’t surprise anyone. Well, maybe except Dominic Cummings as he can’t see anything sneaking up behind him at the moment.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,810
David O'Day said:
Can't be, it's very purpose is to be non partisan.

It was set up when it was discovered how many of the sage panel are government employees

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And? They will be labelled “a bunch of lefty remainers” or some such nonsense.


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Grendel

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,811
djr8369 said:
Here he is, wannabe Russian disinformation bot Grendel, ladies and gents.


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It’s fine if you want to keep believing Russian accounts are the reason results go against you and not the weak strategy and debate
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,812
djr8369 said:
Summed odd the other day when they said the R was 0.7 - 1 but were planning to open schools and shops. I’m sure previously, when setting out the road map of steps, the R was the same and they said we can’t do anything yet as we’re too close to 1? (Which also seems obvious).


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If you were being cynical you would suggest that the reason that the number of tests done hasn’t been reported due to “technical issues” in the last few days was because the R rate is in fact rising when number of tests done to number of positives tests are compared. If you were being cynical that is.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,813
clint van damme said:
Intersting article with a fair bit about the R rating.

The coronavirus infection rate is still too high. There will be a second wave | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian
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Cheerful
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,814
Grendel said:
There was of course the sensational revelation the other week on here of fake NHS accounts which were created by the government - what happened to that exclusive?
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Wow, can't believe you're that naive to not realise how widespread they are.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,815
Grendel said:
It’s fine if you want to keep believing Russian accounts are the reason results go against you and not the weak strategy and debate
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Again I’m not saying it was the reason. My original point was that it was one small factor.

It’s fine that you want try and distract from it because it makes you uncomfortable and that you want to do the job hundreds of young people are paid to do in Russia for free and trot out various distractions and half truths on social media.


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PVA

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,816
If there is nothing to hide then why has the Russia report not been released?
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,817
Sick Boy said:
Wow, can't believe you're that naive to not realise how widespread they are.
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He does - his bot settings are auto deflect.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,818
Grendel said:
It’s fine if you want to keep believing Russian accounts are the reason results go against you and not the weak strategy and debate
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Debate? How do you explain Boris’ election win then. Given he didn’t debate are you saying it was down to Russian bots? Sounds like it.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,819
Deleted member 5849 said:
Cheerful
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Infectious disease modelling and virus sequencing data suggest that, early in the epidemic, 10% or less of virus carriers led to about 80% of infections.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,820
djr8369 said:
Here he is, wannabe Russian disinformation bot Grendel, ladies and gents.


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I have been thinking about it and if he really wants to I’ll invite him along to Greece in July. Just me, him and sunsets on the beach, an informative tour of Knossos and all the ouzo he can lay his hands on.

If it doesn’t go ahead, we can row along the canal in Coventrian’s dinghy.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,821
Grendel said:
It’s fine if you want to keep believing Russian accounts are the reason results go against you and not the weak strategy and debate
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It's not about believing they changed a result. It's about stopping outside interference ,(something that was high on leave voters agenda apparently).

Would you just brush it off if Labour won the next election and it was proved there had been Chinese interference even if you believed the Tories had ran a bad campaign and had a poor manifesto?

If we're not careful parties will be tailoring policy to suit outside actors (Though some might say with the Tories reluctance to introduce something akin to the Magnitsky act they're doing that already).
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,822
Deleted member 5849 said:
Cheerful
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It also shows the whole thing is far more complex that R is x, open the pubs.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,823

You have to wonder if the spike in April in Durham was down to a couple of visitors they had at the end of March
 

Grendel

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,824
Sick Boy said:
Wow, can't believe you're that naive to not realise how widespread they are.
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This was a specific example quoted on here - it was done by a left wing crank
 

Grendel

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,825
clint van damme said:
You have to wonder if the spike in April in Durham was down to a couple of visitors they had at the end of March
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Perhaps wales is down to Mr Kinnock
 
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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,826
Grendel said:
Perhaps wales is down to Mr Kinnock
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Perhaps ducks are dolphins
 

David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,827
djr8369 said:
And? They will be labelled “a bunch of lefty remainers” or some such nonsense.


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Their meetings are open and available to all.

The also take evidence from people who sit on the government sage panel

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clint van damme

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,828
Grendel said:
Perhaps wales is down to Mr Kinnock
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Possibly. Though it appears his visit was short and he maintained social distancing.
He didn't drive to a local beauty and wasn't displaying symptoms so no way he presented the same level of danger.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,829
Deleted member 5849 said:
Perhaps ducks are dolphins
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Also Stephen Kinnock has never been suspected of having covid-19.

Facts are not that tramps friend

Also the there was a weird look to the outbreak in south wales with a younger icu demographic but that is more likely to be the stereophonics concerts.

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David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,830
clint van damme said:
Possibly. Though it appears his visit was short and he maintained social distancing.
He didn't drive to a local beauty and wasn't displaying symptoms so no way he presented the same level of danger.
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There were 2 large stereophonics concerts in cardiff on the 14th and 15th

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