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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,031
SBT said:
Why do you care?
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Need negative test to get in which is good I think
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,032
Sky Blue Pete said:
Need negative test to get in which is good I think
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Performative nonsense in reality.

Not that I think we're in the same place as 3 years ago but the Tory government at the time brought restrictions on China whereas the reality is that the virus came here from Italy and Spain.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,033
Sky Blue Pete said:
Need negative test to get in which is good I think
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Just not sure why the guy who’s consistently banged on about the pointlessness of boosters and how omicron is “nature’s vaccine” is suddenly jonesing for more restrictive Covid measures.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,034
SBT said:
Just not sure why the guy who’s consistently banged on about the pointlessness of boosters and how omicron is “nature’s vaccine” is suddenly jonesing for more restrictive Covid measures.
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Because Chinas a different animal you ballbag. Lied all the way through and only just now releasing lockdowns. Our NHS is collapsing before our eyes, last thing we need is another wave of some media panicked variant no?

And i was right wasnt i? Since Omicron the worlds cracked on and got back to normal? I've only had the original 2 jabs, i wont have another, doesnt mean that testing people arriving from the only country in the world where Covid is still an issue is a bad idea does it?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,035
Saddlebrains said:
Because Chinas a different animal you ballbag. Lied all the way through and only just now releasing lockdowns. Our NHS is collapsing before our eyes, last thing we need is another wave of some media panicked variant no?

And i was right wasnt i? Since Omicron the worlds cracked on and got back to normal? I've only had the original 2 jabs, i wont have another, doesnt mean that testing people arriving from the only country in the world where Covid is still an issue is a bad idea does it?
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Out of interest why would you not have any more? Would that apply if a doctor advised it too?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,036
My two penneth on this:
A. I thought further mutations would lead to milder infection, at least that was my interpretation of the science.
B. We have the vaccine and drugs to treat infection so why bother requiring a test to enter the country?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,037
Skybluefaz said:
My two penneth on this:
A. I thought further mutations would lead to milder infection, at least that was my interpretation of the science.
B. We have the vaccine and drugs to treat infection so why bother requiring a test to enter the country?
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A) I think you’re possibly right.

B) We already have a failing NHS, it’s flu season, last thing we need is people ending up in hospital with covid in large numbers.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,038
skybluetony176 said:
A) I think you’re possibly right.

B) We already have a failing NHS, it’s flu season, last thing we need is people ending up in hospital with covid in large numbers.
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Too late, covid, a nasty flu and RSV all putting an incredible strain on the NHS.
It's going to be a tough winter for the doctors and nurses.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,039
clint van damme said:
Too late, covid, a nasty flu and RSV all putting an incredible strain on the NHS.
It's going to be a tough winter for the doctors and nurses.
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They will be ok just a little clap will keep them going
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,040
Saddlebrains said:
Because Chinas a different animal you ballbag. Lied all the way through and only just now releasing lockdowns. Our NHS is collapsing before our eyes, last thing we need is another wave of some media panicked variant no?

And i was right wasnt i? Since Omicron the worlds cracked on and got back to normal? I've only had the original 2 jabs, i wont have another, doesnt mean that testing people arriving from the only country in the world where Covid is still an issue is a bad idea does it?
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Well if it’s all just a media panic anyway then we obviously don’t need the government to act at all, but I’ll humour you. What if case rates in, say, the West Midlands hit the same levels as they are in China? A local lockdown maybe? A tier system, for old times sake?

If it’s fine for you and me to walk around with Covid, fully vaccinated or otherwise, why is it a problem if someone from another country wants to fly here and do the same?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,041
SBT said:
Well if it’s all just a media panic anyway then we obviously don’t need the government to act at all, but I’ll humour you. What if case rates in, say, the West Midlands hit the same levels as they are in China? A local lockdown maybe? A tier system, for old times sake?

If it’s fine for you and me to walk around with Covid, fully vaccinated or otherwise, why is it a problem if someone from another country wants to fly here and do the same?
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More and more countries seem to be adopting the strategy - Spain has joined Italy and France will follow so most of the EU will as well

in reality it’s impossible to do in practice so pointless but governments like to be seen to be taking action I suppose
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,042
Terry Gibson's perm said:
They will be ok just a little clap will keep them going
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A dose of the clap would just make matters worse wouldn't it?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,043
SBT said:
If it’s fine for you and me to walk around with Covid, fully vaccinated or otherwise, why is it a problem if someone from another country wants to fly here and do the same?
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The official explanation appears to be that we, and other countries, are monitoring and sharing data regarding potential new variants of concern but Chinese data isn't to be trusted. It's true that new variants could be milder, it's also true there could be new variants that evade vaccines and / or are more deadly

Of course that explanation falls down slightly as we're going to stop publishing data in the new year. Although publishing might be the key word there. Is the data still being collected and shared, if it is would be odd to stop publishing it which can't be much work
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,044
chiefdave said:
The official explanation appears to be that we, and other countries, are monitoring and sharing data regarding potential new variants of concern but Chinese data isn't to be trusted. It's true that new variants could be milder, it's also true there could be new variants that evade vaccines and / or are more deadly

Of course that explanation falls down slightly as we're going to stop publishing data in the new year. Although publishing might be the key word there. Is the data still being collected and shared, if it is would be odd to stop publishing it which can't be much work
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So we’re slapping travel restrictions on anywhere where we can’t accurately trace new variants or high case rates? Could be a fun spring in the UK once the tier system kicks back in - @Saddlebrains will be delighted.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,045
SBT said:
So we’re slapping travel restrictions on anywhere where we can’t accurately trace new variants or high case rates? Could be a fun spring in the UK once the tier system kicks back in - @Saddlebrains will be delighted.
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You know full well though if we didn’t restrict and everyone else did then the government would be slammed for it
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,046
Grendel said:
You know full well though if we didn’t restrict and everyone else did then the government would be slammed for it
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The government shouldn’t implement “pointless” and expensive policies because of peer pressure or media pressure. If they don’t have the conviction to do anything other than just follow the crowd, what’s the point in voting for them?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,047
Skybluefaz said:
My two penneth on this:
A. I thought further mutations would lead to milder infection, at least that was my interpretation of the science.
B. We have the vaccine and drugs to treat infection so why bother requiring a test to enter the country?
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A. Probably but not necessarily

B. Because they are concerned that China is not being open and therefore there us a greater risk of a strain that is resistant to current vaccines. The testing would be an opportunity to pick this up.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,048
shmmeee said:
Out of interest why would you not have any more? Would that apply if a doctor advised it too?
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Caught it last christmas. Other than being a bit tired i wouldnt have known i had it, only tested as a friend was heavily pregnant and due to come and visit us for the day and i was positive.

Just like to think 2 jabs and a natural infection should be enough at 32 to fight it off. Seems the case so far
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #58,049
Skybluefaz said:
My two penneth on this:
A. I thought further mutations would lead to milder infection, at least that was my interpretation of the science.
B. We have the vaccine and drugs to treat infection so why bother requiring a test to enter the country?
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A: There is no way of predicting whether mutations would lead to milder or more severe infection - it's random mutation followed by selective pressure. In many cases a virus WILL mutate to produce a milder infection, because that is the best way of it passing from one host to the next - Omicron has essentially become fixed in the UK population because the vaccine, in combination with that old chestnut "herd immunity", means that (in general) people get a milder disease, don't drop down dead or have to isolate, and are able to pass it on. That is all a virus "wants" to happen.
However, the worry is that a new mutation will occur that leads to a much more serious illness and can potentially evade the vaccines. China's vaccine programme has been, according to all available data, shit - which is why the moment they have released people from their "zero covid" measures, about one-quarter of the entire population have become infected. They can then get infected with multiple variants at the same time which can lead to crossover of genetic information and potentially a new and quite different strain, even perhaps with a new coat protein.
Most of the vaccines are targeted at the Spike protein - if that mutates too far, it MAY evade the vaccine, but it is more likely that it simply won't bind to its natural receptor so won't cause disease.

Sorry for the complicated and slightly circular answer!
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 2, 2023
  • #58,050
Bet masks will be back soon

New COVID variant 'could be the one to watch out for in 2023' after surge in cases, expert warns

Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, highlighted an Omicron variant after a scientist said cases had more than doubled in the US in a week.
news.sky.com
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2023
  • #58,051
Grendel said:
Bet masks will be back soon

New COVID variant 'could be the one to watch out for in 2023' after surge in cases, expert warns

Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, highlighted an Omicron variant after a scientist said cases had more than doubled in the US in a week.
news.sky.com
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Should be standard in crowded places over winter anyway TBH. Asians got it right after SARS. But they didn’t make it a weird culture war thing.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 13, 2023
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,053
Just want to say its worth mentioning , I too had a heart issue at an extraordinarily young age not long after my vaccine

It's hard to completely disregard what a cardiologist is saying here , although I appreciate he has some opinions on diets and statins which I don't agree with totally
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,054
Evo1883 said:
Just want to say its worth mentioning , I too had a heart issue at an extraordinarily young age not long after my vaccine

It's hard to completely disregard what a cardiologist is saying here , although I appreciate he has some opinions on diets and statins which I don't agree with totally
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The cardiologist has clearly missed the research paper based upon tens of millions of vaccinations which showed that the vaccine does indeed offer a statistically significant rise in cardiovascular 'incidents'. The only problem for him is that the same paper showed that a Covid infection did that even more so.

If more excess cardiovascular deaths are happening, it's frankly more likely to be the virus itself.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,055
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The cardiologist has clearly missed the research paper based upon tens of millions of vaccinations which showed that the vaccine does indeed offer a statistically significant rise in cardiovascular 'incidents'. The only problem for him is that the same paper showed that a Covid infection did that even more so.

If more excess cardiovascular deaths are happening, it's frankly more likely to be the virus itself.
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So it's a hard one for me , because my heart issue happened 7 days after having covid and about 28 days after my jab ...

I'm sat here not really knowing what to think , it's hard
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,056
Evo1883 said:
So it's a hard one for me , because my heart issue happened 7 days after having covid and about 28 days after my jab ...

I'm sat here not really knowing what to think , it's hard
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In your case it's hard to say. But the evidence from a huge number of jabs tells us that Covid increases your risk of heart problems to a greater extent than the vaccine, across all ages.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,057
Evo1883 said:
So it's a hard one for me , because my heart issue happened 7 days after having covid and about 28 days after my jab ...

I'm sat here not really knowing what to think , it's hard
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Course but the evidence is there for all to see and it’s not from the outlier voices
 
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Esoterica

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,058
Evo1883 said:
Just want to say its worth mentioning , I too had a heart issue at an extraordinarily young age not long after my vaccine

It's hard to completely disregard what a cardiologist is saying here , although I appreciate he has some opinions on diets and statins which I don't agree with totally
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Statins are virtually useless in preventing heart attacks. Cholesterol is used by the body to repair itself and Statins, by lowering 'bad' cholesterol, have the side effect of stopping the body getting the 'good' cholesterol to where it's actually needed, like the brain or damaged arteries. High cholesterol levels are often seen in heart attack/disease patients, but it's actually the body trying to repair the underlying damage not the cause of the issue.

David Diamond is a neuroscientist and professor at the University of South Florida - 15 years ago he was identified as being at a very high risk of a heart attack and spent the next 15 years researching cardiovascular disease, nutrition, cholesterol. His findings are really amazing and if you have a spare hour here and there, his lectures are well worth a watch. (he's not some facebook Mum injecting bleach up his nose, I promise). Diet is key, which is essentially what the guy in the twitter video is saying too.

 
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nicksar

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  • Jan 13, 2023
  • #58,059
My Wife has Covid for the 2nd time and has been really unwell,she tested clear this morning but is still feeling unwell....Me?... no symptoms whatsoever and I've been testing daily and all negative (was exactly the same last time she had it),worth adding we have slept in the same bed all week.
Last Christmas literally everyone in my extended family had Covid bar myself.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 14, 2023
  • #58,060
Why is that cardiologist’s Twitter page referring to himself in the third person?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #58,061
Is there a lazier, bigger freeloader in the UK than Boris Johnson?

 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 15, 2023
  • #58,062
nicksar said:
My Wife has Covid for the 2nd time and has been really unwell,she tested clear this morning but is still feeling unwell....Me?... no symptoms whatsoever and I've been testing daily and all negative (was exactly the same last time she had it),worth adding we have slept in the same bed all week.
Last Christmas literally everyone in my extended family had Covid bar myself.
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I caught it a few months ago and had managed to avoid it since the start of the pandemic, even when my GF had it and we slept in the same bed. Around the time I caught it I had flown something like 8 times in a month and was expecting to catch it then...instead, I think I ended up catching it at my local on a Friday night and then got symptoms the following Monday.
Since catching it I have been ill several times...the last time I was properly ill was probably 2012...it's very strange.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Feb 27, 2023
  • #58,063

COVID-19 most likely leaked from Wuhan lab, says US Energy Department

A classified intelligence report concluded that the virus which sparked the pandemic probably came from a Chinese lab but was not part of a weapons program.
news.sky.com
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 27, 2023
  • #58,064
Evo1883 said:

COVID-19 most likely leaked from Wuhan lab, says US Energy Department

A classified intelligence report concluded that the virus which sparked the pandemic probably came from a Chinese lab but was not part of a weapons program.
news.sky.com
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Can’t say I’m surprised. I read an article last year about scientists being unable to find a single case in wild animals thought/suggested to be behind the original outbreak.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 27, 2023
  • #58,065
Evo1883 said:

COVID-19 most likely leaked from Wuhan lab, says US Energy Department

A classified intelligence report concluded that the virus which sparked the pandemic probably came from a Chinese lab but was not part of a weapons program.
news.sky.com
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If true they should be forking out significant sums in international reparations, not for the leak itself but the cover up and delays in responses caused by it. Not only might it have been better contained (long shot due to highly contagious nature of virus) but providing specifically what had been leaked and the data behind it, might’ve enabled pharmaceutical companies to produce quicker and better vaccines. Not doing so has probably lead to hundreds of thousands or millions more deaths, not to mention 100s billions in the cost of lockdowns. They and Russia are perfect bedfellows
 
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