shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Whats your issue with an RNA vaccine?
Anyone esle got reservations regarding the booster only being an RNA type vaccine?
I've had 2 x AZ, but have got a little bit of hesistancy over having an RNA booster.......hopefully when my booster is due early next year, we may get a choice.......but as of now, I'm not totally comfortable with having a RNA vaccine
The Nordic countries have paused one of them ,Moderna I think I read over the Myocarditis issue especially in younger men.
Pzisers data on efficacy of the third jab is very good with a Gap of 11 months in their trial study of 10k.
There would be real data to go on via Isreals roll out.
I have heard one anecdotal case from the first or second Pfizer that resulted in a heart attack and death in a forty year old female who was an absolute fitness fanatic.
It may or may not be connected of course but maybe some guidance around strenuous exercise might be pertinent considering the Myocarditis angle.
Yeah I agreeThe evidence is confusing though.
A medical guy on the radio confirmed our rate of infection is partly due to the fact we do test far more than most comparative countries - at present 4 times more that Germany and France.
The real contradiction is Wales where they have - he claimed - one in 49 people with COVID - much higher than the rest of the country and they have never loosened the mask restriction.
The mask debate is really a sideshow to the real issue of the 5 million adults who won't be vaccinated.
This isn't the one I read earlier but relates to same data which has not been published.The myocarditis thing was an error in the maths that was retracted:Covid study linking vaccines to rare side effect was wrong, researchers admit
Whats your issue with an RNA vaccine?
I suppose the best reassurance is that yes, they're evil money making entities, but causing serious side effects in people would stop that evil money making potential just like that!No real specifics.....just a healthy level of cynicism of big pharma coupled with the fact its a "new" vaccine technology.
No real specifics.....just a healthy level of cynicism of big pharma coupled with the fact its a "new" vaccine technology.
I suppose the best reassurance is that yes, they're evil money making entities, but causing serious side effects in people would stop that evil money making potential just like that!
Guess somebody has to be first with everything, it's more the scale that makes it noticable. If I went to my doctor and they prescribed something I'd never heard of, I know I wouldn't be asking how long it had existed.Its the combo of the new technology & the race to market......just got reservations is all.
I wouldn’t worry about how quickly it came out. All the Covid vaccines didn’t have the same issues other medications have in that there was no shortage of money for development which drove a faster development process as there was no delays while waiting on funding and also there was no shortage of volunteers for the trials so trials could happen quickly. There’s no evidence whatsoever that corners were cut, it just happened quicker for 2 specific reasons.Its the combo of the new technology & the race to market......just got reservations is all.
I think we’d have noticed if there were any side effects by now, we’ve been jabbing millions with it for almost a year and vaccines are out your system in a few weeks.
The tech is almost as old as I am, first paper was 1988 I think
Yeah, with everything there'll probably be somebody who has a bad reaction to it - it's the overall data that's important. Same as Covid really... once the effects come down to a level that's 'appropriate' we can 'live with it' but that doesn't mean *nobody* will be affected.Spot on. Multiply that by the number of doses given out around the world as well
There was a caller on LBC the other day (a teacher frighteningly) who was still refusing jab and sighted issues this young woman had...’oh, is this someone you know ?’ said the presenter. ‘No an American woman posted it on FB’
People be like "but but it was made in under a year"I wouldn’t worry about how quickly it came out. All the Covid vaccines didn’t have the same issues other medications have in that there was no shortage of money for development which drove a faster development process as there was no delays while waiting on funding and also there was no shortage of volunteers for the trials so trials could happen quickly. There’s no evidence whatsoever that corners were cut, it just happened quicker for 2 specific reasons.
Do we lock down every year for influenza?Isn't that the point of why you might have to re-introduce some measures though. It's more infectious and there is a load of it around so you have to slow the spread.
I would happily be forced to wear masks in shops again if it meant pubs stayed open and we weren't facing another lockdown which I really don't think I could handle very well.
The post was regarding measures to avoid lockdown you absolute roaster.Do we lock down every year for influenza?
Nope so why now if you want to wear a mask in public you do that but u til guide lines change I aint doing anything I dont need to, Im vaccinated and have previous Infection if I catch covid ágain I might just out the lottery on.
You've just admitted yourself covid kills more people than flu and one of the main reasons for that is that there is so much of it around.Do we lock down every year for influenza?
Nope so why now if you want to wear a mask in public you do that but u til guide lines change I aint doing anything I dont need to, Im vaccinated and have previous Infection if I catch covid ágain I might just out the lottery on.
Saw this response on twitter from scotrail . And tbh I'm glad they said it really ... so many weirdos around taking photos of people as a gotcha on social media ..absolute blurts View attachment 22379
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No I didn't, the death rate is lower the the flu.You've just admitted yourself covid kills more people than flu and one of the main reasons for that is that there is so much of it around.
The way to then stop so many people dying or getting to a point we need to lock the country down is to try and make sure there is less of it around.
How do we do that in your mind?
Just let its course take, most will survive anyway, its nothing more than a bad flu season,You've just admitted yourself covid kills more people than flu and one of the main reasons for that is that there is so much of it around.
The way to then stop so many people dying or getting to a point we need to lock the country down is to try and make sure there is less of it around.
How do we do that in your mind?
Not talking about death rate, simple volume of people dying. how do you bring that down?No I didn't, the death rate is lower the the flu.
Wheres the charts for that one?No I didn't, the death rate is lower the the flu.
Flu is less infectious though. If that flu season was covid then you're looking at over a hundred thousand again.Just let its course take, most will survive anyway, its nothing more than a bad flu season,
I think we had a bad flu season 3 or 4 years ago and it killed something like 55k people, country didnt go mad then, I fact you never heard about it, this covid shit will be a norm just live with it and stop being babies.
I asked this before but you must have missed it. Is there a point at which you would consider deaths to be too high? If you take our current death rate if that doesn't drop we're looking at covid being up there with heart disease as the nations biggest killer annually.Just let its course take, most will survive anyway, its nothing more than a bad flu season,
Just let its course take, most will survive anyway, its nothing more than a bad flu season,
I think we had a bad flu season 3 or 4 years ago and it killed something like 55k people, country didnt go mad then, I fact you never heard about it, this covid shit will be a norm just live with it and stop being babies.
Of course you have to factor in that the covid deaths, already far higher than flu, are with restrictions in place at various points. If you didn't have restrictions at any point then you'd have been highly likely to see a significant rise in the covid figure. That's before you even consider if we reached a point where hospitals were overrun, the number would go through the roof then.
I asked this before but you must have missed it. Is there a point at which you would consider deaths to be too high? If you take our current death rate if that doesn't drop we're looking at covid being up there with heart disease as the nations biggest killer annually.
Of course you have to factor in that the covid deaths, already far higher than flu, are with restrictions in place at various points. If you didn't have restrictions at any point then you'd have been highly likely to see a significant rise in the covid figure. That's before you even consider if we reached a point where hospitals were overrun, the number would go through the roof then.
Was made official last year some time, feel free to Google.Wheres the charts for that one?
Never once said it was only old people I just think nature Works the way it wants, most who die are at the end of their life cycle anyway if that to be a heart attack, cancer. Or what ever else.Flu is less infectious though. If that flu season was covid then you're looking at over a hundred thousand again.
If you answer is just let old people die instead of put some minor inconveniences on yourself then I'll just leave this here as I don't think it's worth it.
c**tNever once said it was only old people I just think nature Works the way it wants, most who die are at the end of their life cycle anyway if that to be a heart attack, cancer. Or what ever else.
Wheres the charts for that one?
No figure in mind but hospitals are coping pretty well rn, cases will soon be dropping there cant be much more to infect around the country, I dont think hospitalisations will ever hit the 8k a day Márk they did I dont even think they would hit the 2k a day Márk + most who go in hospital atm are discharged the following day.I asked this before but you must have missed it. Is there a point at which you would consider deaths to be too high? If you take our current death rate if that doesn't drop we're looking at covid being up there with heart disease as the nations biggest killer annually.
Of course you have to factor in that the covid deaths, already far higher than flu, are with restrictions in place at various points. If you didn't have restrictions at any point then you'd have been highly likely to see a significant rise in the covid figure. That's before you even consider if we reached a point where hospitals were overrun, the number would go through the roof then.
c**t
No just not a baby, I've took the vaccine to protect others thats good enough for me if I died from covid then it is what it is, reasons for everything and if my life is to be ended tommorow so be it.c**t
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