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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,541
Sick Boy said:
From what I can tel the biggest believers in conspiracy theories are middle-aged men.
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Not reflected in vaccine figures
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,542
Grendel said:
Not reflected in vaccine figures
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That didn’t take long
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,543
Sick Boy said:
That didn’t take long
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Well there’s a link to the independent article - one guy at work said the vaccine was bad and there’s a scientist that’s often saying it

He named the scientist. He used to be a goalkeeper
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,544
CCFCSteve said:
The tik tok comment was partially tongue in cheek...I even put a smiley face. The bigger issue is many havent updated their knowledge/understanding

The queues we’re amazing and I’ve said before 70% is impressive uptake...especially when compared to some older age groups of other nations. However there still approx 30% of under 30s not jabbed. Something isn’t right.

It’s their call. I’m double jabbed and am just recovering from Covid. I’m not blaming anyone else but they could/should be protecting themselves
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All I’ve asked for are numbers rather than assertions for what the reasons that remaining 30% have. If you have them I’d gladly have a look.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,545
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What I’m saying to you is show me the hard evidence on why uptake is lower rather than speculating that it’s just because young people are idiots.
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Google the reasons why they aren’t. Many aren’t idiots but just haven’t changed their views. Many don’t think it’s something that effects them or certainly not enough to warrant ‘the risk’ of getting vaccinated. It’s an outdated view. I can’t get in their heads, have they not bothered following the news, too busy to read more recent real world data/evidence, follow idiots on social media ?! Who knows.

I think more will get vaccinated when they see friends or family contract Covid. Again, the numbers are still good but there’s a large number unvaccinated

ps reasons like risk to fertility, other possible side effects, ‘would rather wait’, risk of clotting from vaccine etc. My point is that there is now evidence dealing with all/majority of these. Why aren’t they accepting this evidence is the question ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,546
CCFCSteve said:
Google the reasons why they aren’t. Many aren’t idiots but just haven’t changed their views. Many don’t think it’s something that effects them or certainly not enough to warrant ‘the risk’ of getting vaccinated. It’s an outdated view. I can’t get in their heads, have they not bothered following the news, too busy to read more recent real world data/evidence, follow idiots on social media ?! Who knows.

I think more will get vaccinated when they see friends or family contract Covid. Again, the numbers are still good but there’s a large number unvaccinated
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If I Google I’ll see anecdotes, what I want are some surveys of this age group along with other groups we know to be more hesitant.

Interesting that you mention not keeping up with more recent data when furiously disinfecting surfaces remains a widespread practice in most places despite us having known for ages that it isn’t surface transmitted.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,547
There’s probably greater infertility risk from actually getting covid rather than the vaccines.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,548
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If I Google I’ll see anecdotes, what I want are some surveys of this age group along with other groups we know to be more hesitant.

Interesting that you mention not keeping up with more recent data when furiously disinfecting surfaces remains a widespread practice in most places despite us having known for ages that it isn’t surface transmitted.
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Yeah, I agree, it’s bizarre. I wonder if a lot of that is to give people visual/mental comfort

Also hygienic so not the end of the world !
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,549
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I agree, it’s bizarre. I wonder if a lot of that is to give people visual/mental comfort

Also hygienic so not the end of the world !
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That is basically it, giving the perception of preventing infection for low cost compared to taking proper steps to ventilate spaces which would be more expensive and less visible.

If you stay at a hotel they’ll be fine letting you go around without a mask but you’ll have to eat out of cardboard boxes, not get your room serviced and you’ll see the staff furiously bleaching the hand rails.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,550
CCFCSteve said:
All of that. There’s just a real scepticism as well. They think they know better than the medical profession, are ignoring the real world data and would rather take advice from tik tok (couldn’t resist the last one )

I still believe that vaccination should be an individuals choice and can understand some of the younger adults genuine arguments, however, I think a lot of these have been debunked by the Delta Variant, which does appear to have a greater impact on the young. It’s also been proven the risks of clotting etc from covid are far greater than from any of the jabs. It’s like they haven’t updated their knowledge from 9-12 months ago !
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Some of it's bad communication too. I only realised it was now officially OK for pregnant women to have the jab the other day, when they were complaining barely any were having it.

If they were like me, that may have been the first they knew it was OK!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,551
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I agree, it’s bizarre. I wonder if a lot of that is to give people visual/mental comfort

Also hygienic so not the end of the world !
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For me, it's hard to get out a habit you've been told to do, especially when you have a slight disposition to OCD and your brain is fried anyway!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,552
Deleted member 5849 said:
For me, it's hard to get out a habit you've been told to do, especially when you have a slight disposition to OCD and your brain is fried anyway!
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I can get that in individuals but not really in large organisations
 

Tommo1993

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,553
Sick Boy said:
There’s probably greater infertility risk from actually getting covid rather than the vaccines.
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It was a big worry in our house before that vaccine/infertility theory was nipped in the bud. We’re now trying to save to have private medical help, otherwise next available appointment on NHS is summer 2023!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,554
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I can get that in individuals but not really in large organisations
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If it's as well as I have little problem - as Steve says, does little harm. I agree if instead of getting ventilation right, etc.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,555
Deleted member 5849 said:
If it's as well as I have little problem - as Steve says, does little harm. I agree if instead of getting ventilation right, etc.
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It’s quite labour intensive for not much gain and if anything some of the products used are more irritant to you than lingering microbes. We cannot spend the rest of our lives worrying about germs to this extent and as we may well see with the resurgence of flu this winter it does more harm than we might think.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,556
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s quite labour intensive for not much gain and if anything some of the products used are more irritant to you than lingering microbes. We cannot spend the rest of our lives worrying about germs to this extent and as we may well see with the resurgence of flu this winter it does more harm than we might think.
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IDK if furlough is closing shortly, a little job creation can't harm?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2021
  • #50,557
wingy said:
IDK if furlough is closing shortly, a little job creation can't harm?
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We seem to be ignoring the environmental aspect of using so much disposable stuff when there is no need. Many more jobs could be created through investment in proper ventilation of indoor businesses and transport
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 2, 2021
  • #50,558
Second dose done - my phone just suddenly became 5G.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2021
  • #50,559
Was a couple of young people on the news this morning about the "prizes for vaccines".

No surprise they were activist type bellends who will no doubt be the first to scramble the placards if they were refused treatment.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 2, 2021
  • #50,560
They used to do the queue jump passes at Rosie Malones 'Ivy House' or whatever for Colly Monday.

Instead of buying 6 drinks to get it, just get your jab in return.

Problem solved by about 11pm tonight.
 
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AOM

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  • Aug 2, 2021
  • #50,561
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They used to do the queue jump passes at Rosie Malones 'Ivy House' or whatever for Colly Monday.

Instead of buying 6 drinks to get it, just get your jab in return.

Problem solved by about 11pm tonight.
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Put it on Deliveroo
 

Torquay Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,562
It's official. All you vaccine heroes can go and get your kids done now
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,563

Fitness enthusiast, 42, who rejected vaccine, dies of Covid

John Eyers had been climbing mountains four weeks before his death in intensive care
www.theguardian.com
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,564
Sick Boy said:

Fitness enthusiast, 42, who rejected vaccine, dies of Covid

John Eyers had been climbing mountains four weeks before his death in intensive care
www.theguardian.com
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The key bit of info:

 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,565
Sick Boy said:

Fitness enthusiast, 42, who rejected vaccine, dies of Covid

John Eyers had been climbing mountains four weeks before his death in intensive care
www.theguardian.com
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christ, thats terrible- he was in good shape as well
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,566
Reckon the Darwin Awards will do a group entry this year?
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,567
shmmeee said:
Reckon the Darwin Awards will do a group entry this year?
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All I know is that the way I felt after the second jab, I do not ever, ever want to experience what the actual virus must be like if you had a bad case
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,568
COV said:
All I know is that the way I felt after the second jab, I do not ever, ever want to experience what the actual virus must be like if you had a bad case
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I had mine on Monday afternoon and only just feel something approaching normality.
 

COV

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  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,569
Sick Boy said:
I had mine on Monday afternoon and only just feel something approaching normality.
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What did you have? Mine was Pfizer- felt nothing first time round but second one KO'd me for days.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,570
COV said:
What did you have? Mine was Pfizer- felt nothing first time round but second one KO'd me for days.
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Both doses were Pfizer as well. The first one was manageable but yesterday I felt like shit, also had problems sleeping.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,571
COV said:
All I know is that the way I felt after the second jab, I do not ever, ever want to experience what the actual virus must be like if you had a bad case
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See I was absolutely shite after my first (AZ) but fine after my second.

Hoping that's the trajectory if Covid ever finds its way past my defences!
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,572
Sick Boy said:
Both doses were Pfizer as well. The first one was manageable but yesterday I felt like shit, also had problems sleeping.
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You lot Must be unlucky I ha dmy jabs both didn't even touch me, worst part about the jab was the stupid women ramming it in my shoulder and causing me to bleed
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,573
Sick Boy said:

Fitness enthusiast, 42, who rejected vaccine, dies of Covid

John Eyers had been climbing mountains four weeks before his death in intensive care
www.theguardian.com
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I saw the tweet from his twin sister about it the other day.

I saw this tweet from another person, a vaccine sceptic who had been hospitalised and was deteriorating. I keep looking in and there has been no update which doesn't bode well:

day7heman
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,574
I felt fine after both Pfizer jabs. Just a bit of a dead arm.

I’m not sure that’s a good thing though as my body just accepted it in.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 4, 2021
  • #50,575
Liquid Gold said:
I felt fine after both Pfizer jabs. Just a bit of a dead arm.

I’m not sure that’s a good thing though as my body just accepted it in.
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My Aunt kindly told me that people with a bad reaction would have had Covid *really* badly.

I checked... and it's not true.

Vaccine side effects: My experience of them and what they mean

Why do some people get side effects - and do they mean you have greater protection?
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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