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clint van damme

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,436
skybluetony176 said:
I was much the same, it was a few days later that I started feeling shit with exhaustion and migraine.
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Thanks!
 
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Brylowes

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,437
clint van damme said:
Thanks!
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Was the AZ jab you had Clint ?
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,438
Did I see a report/segment suggesting.a different vaccine is to be rolled out to the under 40's?
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,439
Brylowes said:
Was the AZ jab you had Clint ?
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Yes mate.
 
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SG21

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,440
clint van damme said:
Yes mate.
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I had mine on Weds, felt fine for a few hours then awful for a day. Started recovering yesterday. A lot better now, but not perfect. Going by comments on social media, the younger you are the harder the AZ hits you.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,441
SG21 said:
I had mine on Weds, felt fine for a few hours then awful for a day. Started recovering yesterday. A lot better now, but not perfect. Going by comments on social media, the younger you are the harder the AZ hits you.
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Yes I think anecdotally that appears to be the case .
Be interesting to get a breakdown of why that is , likely several reasons I expect.
Linked to natural immunity levels as we age?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,442
Obviously this is subject to the anticipated supplies being delivered but very promising news as the Moderna jabs begin to arrive

Britain ‘on course to vaccinate all adults by early June’ (msn.com)
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,443
Forest draw
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2021
  • #43,444
SG21 said:
I had mine on Weds, felt fine for a few hours then awful for a day. Started recovering yesterday. A lot better now, but not perfect. Going by comments on social media, the younger you are the harder the AZ hits you.
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Uh ok
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,445
I’ve seen a lot of people booking overseas holidays this year later on. Anyone else feel that the borders should be closed until the new year? Especially with cases getting worse everywhere else.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,446
Ccfcisparks said:
I’ve seen a lot of people booking overseas holidays this year later on. Anyone else feel that the borders should be closed until the new year? Especially with cases getting worse everywhere else.
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I think it's pretty barmy for folks to be doing that, spend your money in the UK at places that have been crying out for business.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,447
Let’s hope there was an air bubble

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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,448
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think it's pretty barmy for folks to be doing that, spend your money in the UK at places that have been crying out for business.
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Doesn’t help with countries like Cyprus saying they will be opened to vaccinated individuals. Anyone with sense wouldn’t go, but some people don’t have sense
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,449
Grendel said:
Let’s hope there was an air bubble

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Why would they wind people up by releasing this story?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,450
Ccfcisparks said:
Doesn’t help with countries like Cyprus saying they will be opened to vaccinated individuals. Anyone with sense wouldn’t go, but some people don’t have sense
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Our wedding venue nearly went under this month, as I imagine a lot of hotels are. Here's hoping the summer cash injection sees them all through
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,451
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Our wedding venue nearly went under this month, as I imagine a lot of hotels are. Here's hoping the summer cash injection sees them all through
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Good luck with it all
Hope you get permitted decent number'ls for family , guests .
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,452
wingy said:
Good luck with it all
Hope you get permitted decent number'ls for family , guests .
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Hoping it'll all be unlimited by then pal
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 14, 2021
  • #43,453
Further lockdown is inevitable as we haven’t as a society understood that even with the vaccine this virus has changed so much we take for granted
 
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dutchman

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,454
As soon as lockdown is eased the infection rate will shoot up and we'll all be back in lockdown again.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,455
Sky Blue Pete said:
Further lockdown is inevitable as we haven’t as a society understood that even with the vaccine this virus has changed so much we take for granted
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The scientist in me politely disagrees Pete. We will have greatly reduced the ability of the virus to put people in hospital or worse and have the technology to quickly respond to new strains come the winter.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,456
dutchman said:
As soon as lockdown is eased the infection rate will shoot up and we'll all be back in lockdown again.
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No it wont.


Cases are irrelevant now. Its hospitalisations they will be looking at due to the vaccine
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,457





We're beating this. People need to calm
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,458
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The scientist in me politely disagrees Pete. We will have greatly reduced the ability of the virus to put people in hospital or worse and have the technology to quickly respond to new strains come the winter.
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I hear you. Just reflecting on Asda Saturday and my mum and the vigil and other gatherings. We forget so quickly what’s possible. If it’s not possible why are we being so slow to open up again I’m your opinion as a scientist
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,459
Sky Blue Pete said:
I hear you. Just reflecting on Asda Saturday and my mum and the vigil and other gatherings. We forget so quickly what’s possible. If it’s not possible why are we being so slow to open up again I’m your opinion as a scientist
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Because we aren’t there yet. The kids went back three weeks after priority groups had their first jab, pubs and things will open roughly three weeks after all vulnerable will have had theirs. And by the time all restrictions are gone most of the adult population will have been vaccinated with their first jab.

Outdoor events don’t seem to be an issue so I’m not concerned about a spike from the vigil just like there wasn’t one from last summers protests.

Only real concern I have is whether we get a vaccine resistant strain. Short of that I’m pretty confident we’ll hit the current timescales and not need to go back. I’d be very surprised if first game back at the Ricoh had limited attendance.

I probably would’ve waited until Easter before sending the kids back, but even so we’ve got a natural two week firebreak that’ll hopefully stop cases taking off too much before we’ve done all the over 50s.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,460
Are Ireland playing some silly political game with this vaccine? Suspending the Oxford one
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,461
shmmeee said:
Because we aren’t there yet. The kids went back three weeks after priority groups had their first jab, pubs and things will open roughly three weeks after all vulnerable will have had theirs. And by the time all restrictions are gone most of the adult population will have been vaccinated with their first jab.

Outdoor events don’t seem to be an issue so I’m not concerned about a spike from the vigil just like there wasn’t one from last summers protests.

Only real concern I have is whether we get a vaccine resistant strain. Short of that I’m pretty confident we’ll hit the current timescales and not need to go back. I’d be very surprised if first game back at the Ricoh had limited attendance.

I probably would’ve waited until Easter before sending the kids back, but even so we’ve got a natural two week firebreak that’ll hopefully stop cases taking off too much before we’ve done all the over 50s.
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Even Vallance don't believe that outdoor protests/vigils create spikes in transmission but there is still a sizeable window for the virus to spike again. It's madness to to think there isn't.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,462
David O'Day said:
Even Vallance don't believe that outdoor protests/vigils create spikes in transmission but there is still a sizeable window for the virus to spike again. It's madness to to think there isn't.
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Difference between a spike in cases and deaths though. Only real concern with high cases is mutations as I said.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,463
David O'Day said:
Even Vallance don't believe that outdoor protests/vigils create spikes in transmission but there is still a sizeable window for the virus to spike again. It's madness to to think there isn't.
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Ok, lets say for arguments sake youre right.

With things gradually reopening, Does it matter if we see say 30 thousand cases a day if we spike up again, as long as hospitalisations and severe illness stay low?

All the numbers coming from the vaccines, from ourselves and Israel show an over 95% efficacy from 2 doses.

Even from one dose you are in the ballpark of over 60-70% less chance of serious illness.

Also, studies are showing that in those vaccinated, even with 1 jab, that after 2 weeks the transmission is cut by over 65%.


I refer you to the tweet i posted above. We are vaccinating 121 people for every 1 person who tests positive. thats only going to go up now the vaccine drive ticks up a gear. Whatever way you look at that, there is no way a major 3rd wave can kick off surely?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,464
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The scientist in me politely disagrees Pete. We will have greatly reduced the ability of the virus to put people in hospital or worse and have the technology to quickly respond to new strains come the winter.
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Logically yes - there will be need I assume for boosters in winter.

Europe though is a concern as there will be lots of movement across borders I’d expect over the summer and we see Italy with 25,000 cases and Germany up 33% WOW and the fact they are well off the pace vaccine wise and again casting doubt on the Oxford version
 
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jordan210

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,465
Evo1883 said:
Are Ireland playing some silly political game with this vaccine? Suspending the Oxford one View attachment 19173
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The whole EU is playing a silly game. Trying to cover the incompetence of the leaders.

At first the vaccine dint work.
Then they tried to withhold vaccines to UK.
Then they raided the factory
Then they wanted more of it so stopped shipments to Canada and Australia
Now it has bad sides effects.

What next it makes you sprout wings and fly away ?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,466
I said yesterday, the Government need to stand firm and keep the borders closed over the summer, regardless of pressure from the public to open them.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,467
jordan210 said:
The whole EU is playing a silly game. Trying to cover the incompetence of the leaders.

At first the vaccine dint work.
Then they tried to withhold vaccines to UK.
Then they raided the factory
Then they wanted more of it so stopped shipments to Canada and Australia
Now it has bad sides effects.

What next it makes you sprout wings and fly away ?
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It’s right for health authorities to be concerned if anything like clots and other dangerous side affects happen following vaccinations, however, I read a comment from AZ saying that they have analysed 17m jabs administered and the clot percentage was actually lower than would've occurred naturally in an unvaccinated population.

Maybe countries have different data or outside chance of a dubious batch (guessing unlikely). Happy for us to follow our advice though. If its politically motivated then it’s extremely risky/reckless as vaccine scepticism is already worryingly high on the continent (especially in France) and the Pfizer jab is just so much harder to roll out quickly
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,468
CCFCSteve said:
It’s right for health authorities to be concerned if anything like clots and other dangerous side affects happen following vaccinations, however, I read a comment from AZ saying that they have analysed 17m jabs administered and the clot percentage was actually lower than would've occurred naturally in an unvaccinated population.

Maybe countries have different data or outside chance of a dubious batch (guessing unlikely). Happy for us to follow our advice though. If its politically motivated then it’s extremely risky/reckless as vaccine scepticism is already worryingly high on the continent (especially in France) and the Pfizer jab is just so much harder to roll out quickly
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When Katya Adler writes this you know it’s a problem

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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,469
Ccfcisparks said:
I said yesterday, the Government need to stand firm and keep the borders closed over the summer, regardless of pressure from the public to open them.
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Yep.....this is the thing that will fuck us up.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #43,470
Clarify for me,does the efficacy % correspond to the transmission %.
If so how can we ever experience the levels of infection of the previous peaks?
Seen it reported to be as high as 90% in a couple of papers/studies.
 
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