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Saddlebrains

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,841
These figures are plummeting. Safe to say the vaccine effect now seems to be kicking in.

Lovely
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,842
Sky Blue Pete said:
Is that 730k people who have symptoms but not covid
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Yeah, I guess ballpark, although I think there’s always been a question mark over whether the number of tests on the gov website equates to actual people...presume not (as some people might have more than one test)....sure there’s a few false negatives and false positives thrown in there as well !

I’m also not sure if the data includes any of the door to door asymptomatic surge testing they do in specific areas these day.

The number/trend is going in the right direction though !
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,843
shmmeee said:
I can’t state strongly enough how ridiculous what you’re saying is and how far from political reality you are.
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I'm just describing some of the antics of the methodology used by the last Labour Government without going into too much detail.

They were that mad and bad. If you want a detailed account, I am happy to share information on how abusive they were with individual rights.

In fact, laws were needed to be passed through Parliament to stop stuff like this from happening again.

Unfortunately, you can't legislate against the methodology used.

I don't think I will be voting Labour this time around. It is too much of a risk.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,844
Saddlebrains said:
These figures are plummeting. Safe to say the vaccine effect now seems to be kicking in.

Lovely
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Check this out. Look at the death rate in the older groups drop like a stone compared to the younger unvaccinated groups.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,845
Philosorapter said:
I'm just describing some of the antics of the last Labour Government without going into too much detail.

They were that mad and bad. If you want a detailed account, I am happy to share information on how abusive they were with individual rights.

In fact, laws were needed to be passed through Parliament to stop stuff like this from happening again.

I don't think I will be voting Labour this time around. It is too much of a risk.
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Cool.

If I find myself in 1997 again I’ll make sure not to vote for Tony Blair.
 
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We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,846
Sky Blue Pete said:
Is that 730k people who have symptoms but not covid
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No there’s many tests just for tests sake. There’sa constant flow of people to Bedworth non symptoms site.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,847
Rich said:
No there’s many tests just for tests sake. There’sa constant flow of people to Bedworth non symptoms site.
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All the vox pops on the news the other with people getting tests were people working with the public getting preemptive tests to make sure they hadn’t caught it and were asymptomatic.
 
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covmark

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,848
Rich said:
No there’s many tests just for tests sake. There’sa constant flow of people to Bedworth non symptoms site.
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Indeed, also the surge testing where they've found the SA variant would add to the test uptake.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,849
shmmeee said:
Cool.

If I find myself in 1997 again I’ll make sure not to vote for Tony Blair.
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Of course, the issue being that many people who thought this was okay in 1997 are still in a position of power in the party at the local and national level or have very close links.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #42,850
Philosorapter said:
Of course, the issue being that many people who thought this was okay in 1997 are still in a position of power in the party at the local and national level or have very close links.
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OK.

Well meanwhile the rich have got richer, the poor poorer, over 100k people have died and we’ve fucked the economy for the foreseeable future.

But I’ll really think hard about LGA pensions a quarter of a century ago. Thanks.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,851
Interesting if slightly worrying explanation on the risk of vaccine escape

 

Philosoraptor

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,852
shmmeee said:
OK.

Well meanwhile the rich have got richer, the poor poorer, over 100k people have died and we’ve fucked the economy for the foreseeable future.
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And Starmer is still not 20 points ahead.
 
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SG21

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,853
That he's not ahead at this point shows we're on an island full of psychopaths. Tories voters will excuse anything boris etc will do to look right.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,854
Rich said:
No there’s many tests just for tests sake. There’sa constant flow of people to Bedworth non symptoms site.
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I worked in one for a couple of weeks.
A lot of employers are asking employees to get checked weekly.
Bit of a box ticking excersise but if people don't comply they don't work.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,855
Philosorapter said:
And Starmer is still not 20 points ahead.
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And you still don’t understand how politics works
 
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SG21

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,856
shmmeee said:
And you still don’t understand how politics works
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Buy/own all the media to support you and you'll win regardless of ideas or how many times you screw up?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,857
Youngest daughter just text. Had her jab yesterday, not well today!! Had the AZ.
 
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SG21

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,858
clint van damme said:
Youngest daughter just text. Had her jab yesterday, not well today!! Had the AZ.
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Nice. she'll be okay. no different to the flu jab etc they say.

Despite being on the critical list, my doctors have completely ignored me so I have no idea when I'll get mine lol
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,859
SG21 said:
Nice. she'll be okay. no different to the flu jab etc

Despite being on the critical list, my doctors have completely ignored me so I have no idea when I'll get mine lol
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Have you rang them?
 
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SG21

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,860
clint van damme said:
Have you rang them?
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Yup. Loads of times and I get different answers every time. Soon as this has all eased off, I'm moving out of Cov anyway so I'm not bothered.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,861
SG21 said:
Yup. Loads of times and I get different answers every time. Soon as this has all eased off, I'm moving out of Cov anyway so I'm not bothered.
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That's bad. Especially if you're in a vulnerable category. Tossers
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,862
SG21 said:
That he's not ahead at this point shows we're on an island full of psychopaths. Tories voters will excuse anything boris etc will do to look right.
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SG21 said:
Buy/own all the media to support you and you'll win regardless of ideas or how many times you screw up?
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More pay people to sit at home and then give their granny a life saving vaccine during a national crisis and you tend to be popular.

Can’t repeat enough that most people aren’t spending every day consuming politics news and generally only think about it once every five year. Right now is unusual in that the government are around every day, and in most people eyes they’re “doing their best” and are giving them half off Wagamama.

The idea they should be behind is nuts. Just pants on head crazy. Beryl down the road isn’t fuming about Matt Hancock missing a document publishing guideline believe it or not.
 
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SG21

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,863
shmmeee said:
More pay people to sit at home and then give their granny a life saving vaccine during a national crisis and you tend to be popular.

Can’t repeat enough that most people aren’t spending every day consuming politics news and generally only think about it once every five year. Right now is unusual in that the government are around every day, and in most people eyes they’re “doing their best” and are giving them half off Wagamama.

The idea they should be behind is nuts. Just pants on head crazy. Beryl down the road isn’t fuming about Matt Hancock missing a document publishing guideline believe it or not.
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Thing is, as we've seen in the past, come election time people still won't care. They'll say "oh, that was ages ago" and still vote for them. I'd be very surprised if come next election anything changes.
 
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SG21

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,864
clint van damme said:
That's bad. Especially if you're in a vulnerable category. Tossers
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I can't do anything, so I'm stuck either way. This is just another reason in a long line of them of why I'm itching to leave Cov. Regret moving here as it's been nothing but misery tbh. It was once a nice place I'm sure and there is nice people still, but on balance, I'd rather live somewhere else.
 

Ian1779

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,865
shmmeee said:
And you still don’t understand how politics works
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Looking at Labour’s idea from this week of opposing a coroporation tax rise (which even Tory voters support) suggests they are not exactly reading the room either.

Before we even get onto their hard on for nukes in post Cov-ID world. Well just end a future pandemic by dropping a bomb on it.
 

Brylowes

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,866
clint van damme said:
Youngest daughter just text. Had her jab yesterday, not well today!! Had the AZ.
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Nearly everyone know who’s had the AZ jab has felt unwell for a couple of days afterwards, I had mine 3 weeks back and was fine, had a little swelling and itchyness around the injection area but otherwise fine.
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,867
Brylowes said:
Nearly everyone know who’s had the AZ jab has felt unwell for a couple of days afterwards, I had mine 3 weeks back and was fine, had a little swelling and itchyness around the injection area but otherwise fine.
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I obviously don't understand how these things work but I'd have thought it would be the Pfizer with the live virus that made you ill not this one.
Anyhow, glad she's had it. Gets the 2nd dose in May.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,868
clint van damme said:
I worked in one for a couple of weeks.
A lot of employers are asking employees to get checked weekly.
Bit of a box ticking excersise but if people don't comply they don't work.
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We have been told to go to a test centre and get tested twice a week but I don’t know of any of the staff going, they have said get the test here and we will do them in your time and not ours.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,869
shmmeee said:
More pay people to sit at home and then give their granny a life saving vaccine during a national crisis and you tend to be popular.

Can’t repeat enough that most people aren’t spending every day consuming politics news and generally only think about it once every five year. Right now is unusual in that the government are around every day, and in most people eyes they’re “doing their best” and are giving them half off Wagamama.

The idea they should be behind is nuts. Just pants on head crazy. Beryl down the road isn’t fuming about Matt Hancock missing a document publishing guideline believe it or not.
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Surely Beryl knows there's 120k plus people died though?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,870
clint van damme said:
Surely Beryl knows there's 120k plus people died though?
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Come on mate, they did their best and even cried on TV.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,871
shmmeee said:
More pay people to sit at home and then give their granny a life saving vaccine during a national crisis and you tend to be popular.

Can’t repeat enough that most people aren’t spending every day consuming politics news and generally only think about it once every five year. Right now is unusual in that the government are around every day, and in most people eyes they’re “doing their best” and are giving them half off Wagamama.

The idea they should be behind is nuts. Just pants on head crazy. Beryl down the road isn’t fuming about Matt Hancock missing a document publishing guideline believe it or not.
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The main point isn't Hancock not publishing an advert to say he's awarded a contract, the key questions are:

  1. Why was the government in the position that it had such an under-supply of PPE, despite having an established pandemic plan which required stock levels to be maintained?
  2. Why were the contracts awarded to newly established companies which generally had links to the Conservative party?
  3. Why were the NHS procurement mechanisms that the Conservative party designed bypassed?
  4. Of the contracts awarded, how many have provided PPE at the standard required to protect NHS and care staff?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,872
SG21 said:
That he's not ahead at this point shows we're on an island full of psychopaths. Tories voters will excuse anything boris etc will do to look right.
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You've just described my Dad. I've had the same conversation with him over and over again. If anyone mentions how shit the response has been he'll challenge you to name anything they could have done better. Which is followed by a list of things they could, and should, have done better which he will ignore.

My Mum on the other hand, a lifelong Daily Mail reading Conservative voter, thinks they've done an appauling job. Oddly despite thinking Starmer wouldn't do any better she was full of praise for Burnham and thinks Sultana is the best MP she's ever had!
 
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Ian1779

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,873
chiefdave said:
You've just described my Dad. I've had the same conversation with him over and over again. If anyone mentions how shit the response has been he'll challenge you to name anything they could have done better. Which is followed by a list of things they could, and should, have done better which he will ignore.

My Mum on the other hand, a lifelong Daily Mail reading Conservative voter, thinks they've done an appauling job. Oddly despite thinking Starmer wouldn't do any better she was full of praise for Burnham and thinks Sultana is the best MP she's ever had!
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It’s funny isn’t it - my Mum is a staunch Tory and has the same relationship with the Daily Mail as a Jehovah Witness does with its literal interpretation of the Bible. Thinks the EU have never supported the UK despite her living in Cornwall and in a community that was dependent on EU grants to support it.

She will defend Boris and what he’s done all day long to the point she thinks the NHS need to be split up and replaced with a system she could never afford to access.... it’s lunacy.

She didn’t like Corbyn and his ‘communist’ politics, but respected him for not being in it for himself. She thinks Starmer is worse than Corbyn as she thinks he’s in it in it for his own end.

What to take out of all that.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,874
Ian1779 said:
It’s funny isn’t it - my Mum is a staunch Tory and has the same relationship with the Daily Mail as a Jehovah Witness does with its literal interpretation of the Bible. Thinks the EU have never supported the UK despite her living in Cornwall and in a community that was dependent on EU grants to support it.

She will defend Boris and what he’s done all day long to the point she thinks the NHS need to be split up and replaced with a system she could never afford to access.... it’s lunacy.

She didn’t like Corbyn and his ‘communist’ politics, but respected him for not being in it for himself. She thinks Starmer is worse than Corbyn as she thinks he’s in it in it for his own end.

What to take out of all that.
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The underlying false assumption Tory voters make about the party is that they are in government for the sake of people who live here
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #42,875
Come June 21st were going to be in a fantastic place if this carries on
 
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