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Grendel

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,391
SBT said:
What did you mean by this then?
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I meant I don’t have to have a job but chose to
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,392
For those that have had the jab, or have friends / relatives that have ... do you get any paperwork to say you've had a vaccine? I can imagine a stage where you can travel to other countries, or perhaps across tiers, if you can provide evidence.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,393
Nick said:
Woopie doo, somebody drives to work and back.

Living the dream.
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I mean, fair play to you if that is all you’re doing.

But it sounds to a lot of people on here, from all your tales of supermarkets, running out for lunch etc, that you’re seeing and doing a lot more than that. Unless you really do have a supernatural ability to tell if the contents of people’s shopping bags from Screwfix are essential just from driving past in your car.

I’m not saying this to try and shame you or call you a liar or anything - more to point out how pointless it is to be harping on about everyone else breaking the rules when pretty much everyone bends the rules from time to time, and any one of us could be making things worse in the process.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,394
RegTheDonk said:
For those that have had the jab, or have friends / relatives that have ... do you get any paperwork to say you've had a vaccine? I can imagine a stage where you can travel to other countries, or perhaps across tiers, if you can provide evidence.
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Health care friend has a card
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,395
Grendel said:
I meant I don’t have to have a job but chose to
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Was an interesting way of phrasing it the first time! And presumably it’s impossible to do the job from home?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,396
SBT said:
Was an interesting way of phrasing it the first time! And presumably it’s impossible to do the job from home?
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Clearly

Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

nw is Norman Tebitt Should have salaires redrawn anyway. Certain professions deserve far more than they get and others... less.
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,397
Grendel said:
Clearly

Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

nw is Norman Tebitt Should have salaires redrawn anyway. Certain professions deserve far more than they get and others... less.
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
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I’m not talking about whether you need to sometimes travel for work, I’m talking about whether you can stay home rather than go in. Is it impossible for you to do that?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,398
SBT said:
I’m not talking about whether you need to sometimes travel for work, I’m talking about whether you can stay home rather than go in. Is it impossible for you to do that?
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yes it’s impossible
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,399
SBT said:
Was an interesting way of phrasing it the first time! And presumably it’s impossible to do the job from home?
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tbf, there are also some middle ground cases. At Mrs Wisdom's workplace, some have been furloughed. If not and they'd been sent in, however, then management had decided they were going in as well, as how could they ask somebody to do something they weren't prepared to do themselves? Now, technically that would be against the regs but, even disregarding the moral argument (able to be argued either way) in terms of team morale and, more to the point, ensuring as good compliance with regulations as possible, management going in would seem half sensible, and could actually help keep things under control at that workplace, even if technically government were saying one rule for one...

Empathy and understanding all through this is the challenge for us all. Everybody has different views, different stress points etc. Bar the loons, most people are doing their best with a bad lot.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,400
Grendel said:
yes it’s impossible
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Thank you for your service, then I guess. In fairness, I didn’t know McDonald’s was still even open.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,401
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf, there are also some middle ground cases. At Mrs Wisdom's workplace, some have been furloughed. If not and they'd been sent in, however, then management had decided they were going in as well, as how could they ask somebody to do something they weren't prepared to do themselves? Now, technically that would be against the regs but, even disregarding the moral argument (able to be argued either way) in terms of team morale and, more to the point, ensuring as good compliance with regulations as possible, management going in would seem half sensible, and could actually help keep things under control at that workplace, even if technically government were saying one rule for one...

Empathy and understanding all through this is the challenge for us all. Everybody has different views, different stress points etc. Bar the loons, most people are doing their best with a bad lot.
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Pretty much. I haven’t left the house since the start of term except to put the bins out
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,402
SBT said:
Thank you for your service, then I guess. In fairness, I didn’t know McDonald’s was still even open.
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Yes that’s clearly why one week I was in 3 other parts of the country
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,403
Grendel said:
Yes that’s clearly why one week I was in 3 other parts of the country
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tbf they did start by only opening a select number of stores
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,404
RegTheDonk said:
For those that have had the jab, or have friends / relatives that have ... do you get any paperwork to say you've had a vaccine? I can imagine a stage where you can travel to other countries, or perhaps across tiers, if you can provide evidence.
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It’s all logged on the chip that they put in to you at the same time.

I believed Apple will be releasing their Covid control app shortly.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,405
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf they did start by only opening a select number of stores
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Id imagine Hartlepool was low on the list
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,406
Grendel said:
Id imagine Hartlepool was low on the list
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Fine dining, there!
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,407

Arrivals in UK could be asked to stay in quarantine hotels, Raab says

Foreign secretary says all options being considered, including measure inspired by New Zealand’s ‘directed isolation’ policy
www.theguardian.com

only 10 months too late
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,408
LastGarrison said:
It’s all logged on the chip that they put in to you at the same time.

I believed Apple will be releasing their Covid control app shortly.
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If it means getting back to normal I'm prepared to run the risk of Bill Gates directing me to the Roost when I actually want to go to the old Crown
 

LastGarrison

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,409
clint van damme said:
If it means getting back to normal I'm prepared to run the risk of Bill Gates directing me to the Roost when I actually want to go to the old Crown
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If they really want to track me they can just check my Uber history and save themselves millions.
 

samccov1987

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,410
Mrs just got hers at the rehab hospital in Leamington. She’s a social worker and they were told 200 doses available of the Pfizer vaccine Friday.

In and out in 20 mins; was really slick.

Government have made a right mess on a lot of things but we do seem to be landing this.
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,411
clint van damme said:
If it means getting back to normal I'm prepared to run the risk of Bill Gates directing me to the Roost when I actually want to go to the old Crown
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Bill can put a windows 3.1 pc, a mouse, keyboard and printer directly up my arse if it means I can go to the pub again.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,412
hill83 said:
Bill can put a windows 3.1 pc, a mouse, keyboard and printer directly up my arse if it means I can go to the pub again.
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No CCFC mouse mat?
 

hill83

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,413
It’sabatch87 said:
No CCFC mouse mat?
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Bottle of wine and some candles first
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,414
skybluetony176 said:
If only we hadn’t had enough of experts

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What on earth have pretty much every country in the western world been playing at ?! Seriously though, the comparison with NZ is crazy. Here’s some stats as to why (I’m dull I know but humour me)

NZ population 5m
UK population 67m

Top 10 airports passengers per annum
NZ - around 40m
UK - around 250m

If you add up all the rest the airports gap continues to significant increase. To put into context Bristol would comfortably be NZs second largest airport, Luton, not far off the busiest.

40% of tourist arrivals to NZ are from Australia, who also had low numbers. Ours will come from all over Europe and the world.’, some which would’ve had far higher rates than we/they would’ve known in the early stages.

UK will have far greater numbers of families from a all over Europe (and world) so I’d imagine far greater comings and goings of family members even if you stop tourists. ie if you close borders how do you safely repatriate hundreds of thousands of people from various countries without virus getting back into UK ?!

NZ (and Australia) closed borders on 19 March. If we’d done the same it would’ve been far too late as tens or possibly even hundreds of thousands already had Covid. Sage were also still advising against this, saying little value (see previous attached article)

Should the government have had far better control at borders by now, yes, 100%. Would it make a huge amount of difference when our rates are so high, new strains aside, no. I’d agree though that now there is a real possibility to have far better control of the borders going forward; testing capacity is in place, better (although far from perfect !) tracing and Id imagine significantly less international travel currently so less numbers to trace/ensure isolate. so if/when are numbers drop hopefully we can/should do this a lot better. But comparisons with NZ are pretty irrelevant

ps If we and the rest of the world hadn’t produced vaccines what would NZ have done then ?! Stay closed forever ???!!
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,415
Govt here buying large amounts of the Chinese vaccine (having used Pfizer for themselves). Problem is no-one wants to use the Chinese vaccine.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,416
tisza said:
Govt here buying large amounts of the Chinese vaccine (having used Pfizer for themselves). Problem is no-one wants to use the Chinese vaccine.
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sure I read recently it was only 50% efficacy from recent studies
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,417
CCFCSteve said:
What on earth have pretty much every country in the western world been playing at ?! Seriously though, the comparison with NZ is crazy. Here’s some stats as to why (I’m dull I know but humour me)

NZ population 5m
UK population 67m

Top 10 airports passengers per annum
NZ - around 40m
UK - around 250m

If you add up all the rest the airports gap continues to significant increase. To put into context Bristol would comfortably be NZs second largest airport, Luton, not far off the busiest.

40% of tourist arrivals to NZ are from Australia, who also had low numbers. Ours will come from all over Europe and the world.’, some which would’ve had far higher rates than we/they would’ve known in the early stages.

UK will have far greater numbers of families from a all over Europe (and world) so I’d imagine far greater comings and goings of family members even if you stop tourists. ie if you close borders how do you safely repatriate hundreds of thousands of people from various countries without virus getting back into UK ?!

NZ (and Australia) closed borders on 19 March. If we’d done the same it would’ve been far too late as tens or possibly even hundreds of thousands already had Covid. Sage were also still advising against this, saying little value (see previous attached article)

Should the government have had far better control at borders by now, yes, 100%. Would it make a huge amount of difference when our rates are so high, new strains aside, no. I’d agree though that now there is a real possibility to have far better control of the borders going forward; testing capacity is in place, better (although far from perfect !) tracing and Id imagine significantly less international travel currently so less numbers to trace/ensure isolate. so if/when are numbers drop hopefully we can/should do this a lot better. But comparisons with NZ are pretty irrelevant

ps If we and the rest of the world hadn’t produced vaccines what would NZ have done then ?! Stay closed forever ???!!
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Oh boy loads I could say about this
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,418
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Oh boy loads I could say about this
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haha, doesn’t sound positive ! I don’t mind you tearing the theory apart. It’s hopefully factual though
 

tisza

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,419
CCFCSteve said:
sure I read recently it was only 50% efficacy from recent studies
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we've seen 54%. And apparently much more expensive than Pfizer, Moderna etc
My wife is high-risk so I'll be paying for the whole family to go private as soon as possible - not taking any chances.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,420
CCFCSteve said:
haha, doesn’t sound positive ! I don’t mind you tearing the theory apart. It’s hopefully factual though
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I will later on!
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,421
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I will later on!
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Be gentle ! The comparison isn’t about doing more regarding control at borders now (of course we should) but back in March/April (little test, tracing infrastructure to deal with repatriation of citizens etc). I attached an article on SAGE advice around time this morning (some of which was subsequently found to be incorrect), it’s a page or two earlier
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,422
RegTheDonk said:
For those that have had the jab, or have friends / relatives that have ... do you get any paperwork to say you've had a vaccine? I can imagine a stage where you can travel to other countries, or perhaps across tiers, if you can provide evidence.
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You definitely get a stick but I doubt it’s accepted at customs.
 

Brylowes

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,423
hill83 said:
Bill can put a windows 3.1 pc, a mouse, keyboard and printer directly up my arse if it means I can go to the pub again.
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hill83 said:
Bottle of wine and some candles first
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Be very careful, one unexpected cough and you could end up performing a hysterectomy on yourself
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,424
hill83 said:
Bill can put a windows 3.1 pc, a mouse, keyboard and printer directly up my arse if it means I can go to the pub again.
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Microsoft Orifice
 
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cowboy1850

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #40,425
Why hasn't the EU approved the Oxford vaccine and why aren't other countries using it? I thought it was better in the sense that it didn't have to be stored at freezing temperatures.
 
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