NorthernWisdom
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Coronavirus doctor's diary: Karen caught Covid - and took it home
Everyone has heard about doctors and nurses catching Covid-19 but cleaners and porters have been worse hit.
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Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (24 Viewers)
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stupot07
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There is no way of getting through this without lockdown breaking transmission and vaccination for long term protection.
The infection heat maps show when you unlock everything, the virus rips through the younger and less vulnerable and spreads into the elder and more vulnerable population.
My great aunt in her 80s caught covid in her care home just before Xmas and died a few days later of it in hospital.
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The infection heat maps show when you unlock everything, the virus rips through the younger and less vulnerable and spreads into the elder and more vulnerable population.
My great aunt in her 80s caught covid in her care home just before Xmas and died a few days later of it in hospital.
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chiefdave
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Was just going to post this. Over 70s seem to be getting used interchangeably with at risk and they're massively different groups, albeit with some overlap.
The first phase priority group for vaccination is based on who is more at risk and that's everyone over 50 plus staff working in care homes, health & social care workers, clinically extremely vulnerable and those in an increased risk group (which includes things like people with asthma, diabetes or obese). That's estimated to be over 25 million people, although there's talk of adding staff in education in as well, no idea how many that would add.
You can't lock all those people up. Even if you could what about people they live with, do you lock them up as well, if not then surely the plan falls apart? Plus how on earth would you enforce it. We can't even get to grip with who should be wearing masks, we came up with the brilliant system of asking people if they had a valid reason not to wear one and not being able to question their response.
According to NHS England from September to Jan 7th there were 55,050 under 65s admitted to hospital with covid out of a total of 152,182. That would suggest even if you did lock up all the over 70s you wouldn't be able to remove restrictions.
hill83
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You by the look of it
Nick
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Yeah that was exactly my point.Coronavirus doctor's diary: Karen caught Covid - and took it home
Everyone has heard about doctors and nurses catching Covid-19 but cleaners and porters have been worse hit.www.bbc.co.uk
Nick
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5 more beers
clint van damme
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Nick
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Yeah so who's straining the NHS most at the minute?
clint van damme
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You are as usual missing the point.
Yes, the elderly. But there's no suggestion it's to do with the behaviour of that age group which us what you're suggesting.
Unless you've got evidence?
And even forgetting about the over 75s, look at the numbers for 45 to 74. Or do you want to give them us fuck you as well?
NorthernWisdom
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Fecklessly working to feed themselves, whilst fecklessly trying to support an elderly relative newly on their own, and struggling with the death of their wife? That elderly relative, of course, has the indecency to fecklessly die and clog up a health system, the bastard.
Sky Blue Pete
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Still weighted to age but younger people needing hospital
stupot07
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Just 2 days worth of data from the 5th and 6th Jan
www.england.nhs.uk
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Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity
Health and high quality care for all, <br />now and for future generations
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Nick
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Yeah exactly my point. If the elderly relative didn't have contact with somebody who works in a hospital every day......
NorthernWisdom
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...they'd be left to fend for themselves after their wife dies of cancer. How do you think that'd go?
clint van damme
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So you don't want elderly people to have contact with any relatives and you don't want them to go out to the shops.
If want to euthanise old people surely you can suggest something more humane than locking them in a house and starving them to death.
fernandopartridge
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Found out my ex had gone into hospital this morning when my five year old text me to ask for more time on Roblox “cos mummy’s gone to hospital”, you can imagine my reaction
She sounded OK when I text but was waiting for a chest X-ray. She’s 38 if that matters.
Hope she's OK.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Which supports the idea that you can pretty much model how many we need to vaccinate before we get hospitalisations down to a manageable level.
clint van damme
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Having followed the saga of his divorce on here I'm not sure he does
fernandopartridge
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No, we're not. I've barely seen my family in a year but to suggests lives are on hold really is over the top.
I hate the restrictions but they're pretty light given the context, 100k dead in 10 months, nearly 40k people in hospital currently 4k of which are incapable of breathing for themselves.
shmmeee
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Just had word. Sounds like a chest infection along with mild COVID. She’ll live.
stupot07
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And to put in to context we usually have c7k deaths due to flu annually.
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stupot07
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fernandopartridge
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It isn't the elderly, the majority of people in hospital are under 70. Younger age groups are hospitalised with covid in greater numbers but don't die.
chiefdave
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Another thing that seems to be ignored is that those who get in it and then 'recover' potentially have permeant lung and / or heart damage. We simply don't know how that is going to play out in the years to come. Might be nothing, hopefully isn't, but not sure its something that can just be ignored at this stage.
stupot07
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A colleague whos in their 50s got it before Xmas, and is still off work with it because of the damage its done, they weren't even hospitalised.
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clint van damme
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Same with my mate and his wife. They're back now but both got long covid and missed more time off with it than they had off in their lives
Brighton Sky Blue
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Plus who's to say you won't be the first to catch a new and worse strain, it seems to be mutating like nobody's business
Nick
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May as well just ask hang ourselves now or lock ourselves up apart from work forever.
Or maybe we can stop cunts coming in from abroad completely to bring it in if it's from abroad.
NorthernWisdom
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That'd be just lovely, eh...
Another reason not to let everyone mix normally until we can damp it down, mind you.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It can mutate in this country as well. I hate working all the time with no light relief either too buddy
Nick
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Yeah of course it can. Less risk of other mutations from other countries if we stop pricks needlessly going on holiday.
Brighton Sky Blue
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That I agree with
clint van damme
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They're stopping them from Monday! Perhaps a tad too late but better late than never
Sky Blue Pete
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I’m not sure, why has it taken so long it’s madness
