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Brylowes

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,191
Deleted member 5849 said:
Somebody told me Warwick hospital was at capacity. As ever, who knows if they're telling the truth or spouting bollocks. If in doubt, I'd err on the latter but, if so, that would justify it.

The interesting bit is the area past Southam. They identify more with Oxfordshire, so are confused why they're shut down, but Banbury isn't as much. Guess you have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere.
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Aren’t most of our hospitals at capacity every Winter,
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,192
I’m not going to get into the whole tier discussion as I’m guessing we’re all a bit f*cked off (well those of us in T3)

A couple of easy wins for the government though:

Why not just disclose full commentary/data on for each of the five criteria for each region so at least theres some proper visibility ?

Also, why not agree to review on a weekly basis ?

Finally, one for the teachers, have any of your schools/unions proposed shifting term times back to allow an additional closure (further extended circuit break) during peak transmission/higher risk period ie have an extra week off around Xmas and/or new year half term, but then finish year at the end July/early August. Surely if we’re expecting this winter period to be the worst period for risk and nhs pressure then pushing schooling more into the summer would make sense (appreciate not ideal for teachers or students/parents but safer all around and would allow proper or better suppression periods prior to vaccine roll out)

ps keep your chins up all...the end is hopefully at least in sight...even if it might feel a little far away at present !
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,193
CCFCSteve said:
I’m not going to get into the whole tier discussion as I’m guessing we’re all a bit f*cked off (well those of us in T3)

A couple of easy wins for the government though:

Why not just disclose full commentary/data on for each of the five criteria for each region so at least theres some proper visibility ?

Also, why not agree to review on a weekly basis ?

Finally, one for the teachers, have any of your schools/unions proposed shifting term times back to allow an additional closure (further extended circuit break) during peak transmission/higher risk period ie have an extra week off around Xmas and/or new year half term, but then finish year at the end July/early August. Surely if we’re expecting this winter period to be the worst period for risk and nhs pressure then pushing schooling more into the summer would make sense (appreciate not ideal for teachers or students/parents but safer all around and would allow proper or better suppression periods prior to vaccine roll out)

ps keep your chins up all...the end is hopefully at least in sight...even if it might feel a little far away at present !
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No and nothing says ‘dumpster fire’ more than cutting short the holiday after all we’ve had to contend with. My view has long been either let me teach normally in every sense or go remote for as long as deemed appropriate. The halfway house being imposed with the pressure on me to still deliver ‘normal’ education is what’s driving me insane
 
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SBAndy

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,194
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No and nothing says ‘dumpster fire’ more than cutting short the holiday after all we’ve had to contend with. My view has long been either let me teach normally in every sense or go remote for as long as deemed appropriate. The halfway house being imposed with the pressure on me to still deliver ‘normal’ education is what’s driving me insane
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From the outside looking in, it does/did feel like quite a sensible idea. However, it would have had to come over the summer - to be honest I’m amazed they didn’t look to do something akin to this, having 2-week half terms in October and February with that time taken from the summer holidays. In practice, you will of course know more than me about whether that would be logistically possible. Nevertheless, it’s ideas after the matter. Needed creative thinking during May/June kind of time.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,195
SBAndy said:
From the outside looking in, it does/did feel like quite a sensible idea. However, it would have had to come over the summer - to be honest I’m amazed they didn’t look to do something akin to this, having 2-week half terms in October and February with that time taken from the summer holidays. In practice, you will of course know more than me about whether that would be logistically possible. Nevertheless, it’s ideas after the matter. Needed creative thinking during May/June kind of time.
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A better idea I think would have been to borrow the idea from most private schools of just having longer school days so overall you’re in for fewer days but similar hours. Then you can in fact have a longer holiday at the end and in between
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,196
London lockdown protestors - knobs, every one of them.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Nov 28, 2020
  • #36,197
dubed said:
London lockdown protestors - knobs, every one of them.
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When they realise London is full of the China virus carrying 5G conspiracy towers it’s going to blow their tiny minds.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,198
Is this the week we finally get a Vaccine approved? Lets hope ey
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,199
Awkward conversation with a mate yesterday who called at my house while I’m self isolating waiting for a test result for my daughter. He thinks it’s all overblown and people are being hypochondriacs, wouldn’t accept I was isolating and took offence when I told him he couldn’t come in. Had already had the lockdown conversation and he wouldn’t accept that either. Most of his mates are full into the conspiracy bollocks.

What do you do with these people? Extra concerned because he has serious MH issues and attempted suicide last lockdown so worried about turning him away, but equally I live with my parents and want to follow health advice.

If I ever get my hands on the arseholes spreading these conspiracy theories for profit. Not just the health damage they do but the social damage as well.

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Is this the week we finally get a Vaccine approved? Lets hope ey
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Think (hope) it’s a formality at this point.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,200
shmmeee said:
Think (hope) it’s a formality at this point.
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What one do you think will be approved first? Probs the one we have to wait till spring for
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,201
I've been suffering with chronic fatigue since August. I was running 30-40 miles a day, but my ability to keep going has dropped off a cliff. Sometimes getting out of bed literally wears me out.

I'm starting to think it may be down to my mental health. Not having a holiday this year and all this lockdown tier stuff is really getting to me. What's really frustrating about this is my lack of control.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,202
SkyBlueDom26 said:
What one do you think will be approved first? Probs the one we have to wait till spring for
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Well the Pfizer vaccine seems to be getting shipped. As I said my missus was told UHCW was getting it today. Saw a report that it’s arrived in Belgium as well. So I’d guess that’s not far away.

Just enough to do the most vulnerable, but that’s a start and hopefully makes the most impact to deaths and hospitalisations which is what determines lockdown.

Im cautiously optimistic we won’t have to lockdown/Tier 3 after this winter.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,203
shmmeee said:
Well the Pfizer vaccine seems to be getting shipped. As I said my missus was told UHCW was getting it today. Saw a report that it’s arrived in Belgium as well. So I’d guess that’s not far away.

Just enough to do the most vulnerable, but that’s a start and hopefully makes the most impact to deaths and hospitalisations which is what determines lockdown.

Im cautiously optimistic we won’t have to lockdown/Tier 3 after this winter.
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Literally there are 20 million people in groups 1-4.... we need them all vaccinated ASAP really then i think most of the restrictions will go and the majority of us in group 5 can then get it over the coming months

Good news about it arriving at the UHCW
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,204
lets not rush the vaccination process yeah
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,205
Rich said:
I've been suffering with chronic fatigue since August. I was running 30-40 miles a day, but my ability to keep going has dropped off a cliff. Sometimes getting out of bed literally wears me out.

I'm starting to think it may be down to my mental health. Not having a holiday this year and all this lockdown tier stuff is really getting to me. What's really frustrating about this is my lack of control.
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Did you have a test for covid at any point?
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,206
shmmeee said:
Awkward conversation with a mate yesterday who called at my house while I’m self isolating waiting for a test result for my daughter. He thinks it’s all overblown and people are being hypochondriacs, wouldn’t accept I was isolating and took offence when I told him he couldn’t come in. Had already had the lockdown conversation and he wouldn’t accept that either. Most of his mates are full into the conspiracy bollocks.

What do you do with these people? Extra concerned because he has serious MH issues and attempted suicide last lockdown so worried about turning him away, but equally I live with my parents and want to follow health advice.

If I ever get my hands on the arseholes spreading these conspiracy theories for profit. Not just the health damage they do but the social damage as well.



Think (hope) it’s a formality at this point.
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these people piss me off.
One example of the people I know who've been ill with it - friend of ours is a teacher, she's worked all through lockdown as she works wit SN kids.
She never has time off, she drags herself into work when she's ill, hanging whatever. She got over Covid 3 weeks ago and still hasn't been back to work it's absolutely floored her. Her husband nearly ended up in hospital though he's back at work.
I'm tired of hearing the sort of bullshit your mate was spouting.
As I posted on another thread my sister fell out with a good friend over this because she was telling my sister it was bullshit after my sister was ill with it.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,207
shmmeee said:
Awkward conversation with a mate yesterday who called at my house while I’m self isolating waiting for a test result for my daughter. He thinks it’s all overblown and people are being hypochondriacs, wouldn’t accept I was isolating and took offence when I told him he couldn’t come in. Had already had the lockdown conversation and he wouldn’t accept that either. Most of his mates are full into the conspiracy bollocks.

What do you do with these people? Extra concerned because he has serious MH issues and attempted suicide last lockdown so worried about turning him away, but equally I live with my parents and want to follow health advice.

If I ever get my hands on the arseholes spreading these conspiracy theories for profit. Not just the health damage they do but the social damage as well.



Think (hope) it’s a formality at this point.
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I kind of sympathise though. If he's young and suffering mental health issues then chances are lockdown is doing him personally way more damage than covid ever could.

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We'll_live_and_die

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,208
fernandopartridge said:
Did you have a test for covid at any point?
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Nope, Dr mentioned it could be long covid but didn't suggest anti body test.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,209
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Is this the week we finally get a Vaccine approved? Lets hope ey
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Fingers crossed. Although as they seem to be shipping it to hospitals and have recuited and trained people to give the vaccine hopefully its just a formality.

Anyone heard where it will be in Cov? Assume the Ricoh will be one site. Brum is Villa Park, Millenium Point, NEC, Edgbaston and Airport.
SkyBlueDom26 said:
What one do you think will be approved first? Probs the one we have to wait till spring for
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It will be the Pfizer one. There's varying reports on how many we will get in the first batch but hopefully enough to cover the most vunerable.

The plans seem to be get it out there as fast as possible. Looks like we'll be given a time slot and then literally queing up for it and they're planning to have people working in teams of two giving the injections so they don't even have to wait to swap PPE between jabs. They reckon they can get it down to 2 minutes per person.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,210
chiefdave said:
Fingers crossed. Although as they seem to be shipping it to hospitals and have recuited and trained people to give the vaccine hopefully its just a formality.

Anyone heard where it will be in Cov? Assume the Ricoh will be one site. Brum is Villa Park, Millenium Point, NEC, Edgbaston and Airport.

It will be the Pfizer one. There's varying reports on how many we will get in the first batch but hopefully enough to cover the most vunerable.

The plans seem to be get it out there as fast as possible. Looks like we'll be given a time slot and then literally queing up for it and they're planning to have people working in teams of two giving the injections so they don't even have to wait to swap PPE between jabs. They reckon they can get it down to 2 minutes per person.
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We have 20 million so that's 10 million people.....we need another 10 really if we are going to see anything drastic change in regards to restrictions, groups 1-4 need to be done asap
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,211
shmmeee said:
Im cautiously optimistic we won’t have to lockdown/Tier 3 after this winter.
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You're more confident than me. As soon as we saw a parade of experts telling people to use their common sense and just because they rules were being relaxed didn't mean it was sensible to actually do what the rules allow I could see a problem looming post-Christmas.

Suspect people will see the numbers dropping now and for the next couple of weeks, thanks to lockdown, along with the rules being relaxed and see Christmas as a free hit. Given the lag before we see things impact the numbers can see us sending students home, christmas, new year, kids back to schools and sending students back in a short period of time leading to numbers shooting back up again before anyone acknowledges there's an issue. Hopefully I'll be wrong, maybe I'm just not giving people enough credit.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,212
chiefdave said:
You're more confident than me. As soon as we saw a parade of experts telling people to use their common sense and just because they rules were being relaxed didn't mean it was sensible to actually do what the rules allow I could see a problem looming post-Christmas.

Suspect people will see the numbers dropping now and for the next couple of weeks, thanks to lockdown, along with the rules being relaxed and see Christmas as a free hit. Given the lag before we see things impact the numbers can see us sending students home, christmas, new year, kids back to schools and sending students back in a short period of time leading to numbers shooting back up again before anyone acknowledges there's an issue. Hopefully I'll be wrong, maybe I'm just not giving people enough credit.
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I still think Easter is when it is most likely to get better.
 

We'll_live_and_die

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,213
All Cov uni students are required to have a test before leaving for christmas apparently.
 

LastGarrison

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,214
Rich said:
All Cov uni students are required to have a test before leaving for christmas apparently.
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Not required, it's voluntary........

Opened it up to staff now as well.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,215
Rich said:
All Cov uni students are required to have a test before leaving for christmas apparently.
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Its voluntary but hopefully there will be a good uptake. Seems the idea is get a test and travel as soon as possible after lockdown.

They're advising students to travel from December 3rd, although that's over a week before the end of term so unless they're finishing early not sure how that works.

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LastGarrison

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,216
chiefdave said:
Its voluntary but hopefully there will be a good uptake. Seems the idea is get a test and travel as soon as possible after lockdown.

They're advising students to travel from December 3rd, although that's over a week before the end of term so unless they're finishing early not sure how that works.

Our COVID-19 secure teaching and learning experience

Coventry University Group is committed to a blend of face-to-face and online learning that delivers a high-quality university experience while prioritising the health, safety and wellbeing of our students and colleagues.
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With the the majority of teaching being online it won't effect their studies as much as usual anyway.

I'm hearing that the uptake for the tests has been "disappointing" but hopefully will pick up.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,217
TomRad85 said:
I kind of sympathise though. If he's young and suffering mental health issues then chances are lockdown is doing him personally way more damage than covid ever could.

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That’s exactly my dilemma. Part of his MH issues is paranoia around friends and thinking everyone is having a great time and just don’t want him there, when in fact we’re all just hermits getting old. He doesn’t have internet access and is convinced we’re all online every day chatting and he’s not part of it.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,218
TomRad85 said:
Is he getting professional help? Because it sounds like he 100% needs it.

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We try. He’s got drink problems and probably drug issues we don’t know about too, we’ve made appointments but he’ll miss them, tried to get his case workers to talk to us but they won’t. His Dad died during lockdown and a lot of his family are abroad. So it’s very rarely that I’ll turn him away because I know he often needs that friendly face, a meal and a cup of coffee to keep him sane.

First lockdown he was onboard and understood but this time he’s gone full “it’s a load of shite” and it makes it harder. I dunno. I worry, but also worry about my family. No right answers.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,219
shmmeee said:
We try. He’s got drink problems and probably drug issues we don’t know about too, we’ve made appointments but he’ll miss them, tried to get his case workers to talk to us but they won’t. His Dad died during lockdown and a lot of his family are abroad. So it’s very rarely that I’ll turn him away because I know he often needs that friendly face, a meal and a cup of coffee to keep him sane.

First lockdown he was onboard and understood but this time he’s gone full “it’s a load of shite” and it makes it harder. I dunno. I worry, but also worry about my family. No right answers.
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You should do what is right for your family but it is a tough one. People do need to realise that lockdown for some people is way harder than it is for the likes of you and I. The worst thing I can say personally is I'm bored, which I can tolerate a little longer.

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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,220

FIFTY NHS hospitals first in line to roll out Covid vaccine revealed

FIFTY NHS hospitals are standing by to roll out the Pfizer Covid vaccine next week – as Britain becomes the first country to get the jab. Matt Hancock tweeted “help is on the way”…
www.thesun.co.uk

Could be a great week
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,221
SkyBlueDom26 said:

FIFTY NHS hospitals first in line to roll out Covid vaccine revealed

FIFTY NHS hospitals are standing by to roll out the Pfizer Covid vaccine next week – as Britain becomes the first country to get the jab. Matt Hancock tweeted “help is on the way”…
www.thesun.co.uk

Could be a great week
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did you read the story? it's just going to be hospital staff as they can't use it to treat the cat 1 patients who they wanted to go first.

Lets wait to the moderna/AZ vaccine is approved and in use first
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,222
David O'Day said:
did you read the story? it's just going to be hospital staff as they can't use it to treat the cat 1 patients who they wanted to go first.

Lets wait to the moderna/AZ vaccine is approved and in use first
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Good that hospital staff will get it asap, they should be high in the priority list
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,223
The only people I know to have had Covid work in the NHS. It has to be the most critical sector to roll out any vaccine first surely.

Although, did I read one vaccine may not stop you getting/transmitting the virus but will stop you getting ill?
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,224
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Good that hospital staff will get it asap, they should be high in the priority list
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yes but they aren't the highest priority

You are doing this again, acting like everything slightly positive is the greatest thing ever instead of being sensible and just being happy things are moving in the right direction.

Any setbacks and you'll be acting like it's the end of the world.

Relax and accept as per the government and expert advice it's likely to be Easter before things start to get back to normal.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 30, 2020
  • #36,225
David O'Day said:
yes but they aren't the highest priority

You are doing this again, acting like everything slightly positive is the greatest thing ever instead of being sensible and just being happy things are moving in the right direction.

Any setbacks and you'll be acting like it's the end of the world.

Relax and accept as per the government and expert advice it's likely to be Easter before things start to get back to normal.
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Yeah I've said I think it will be Easter too at the earliest
 
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