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djr8369

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,036
Brighton Sky Blue said:
One of the sciences
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I doubt there is any practical element that doesn’t have a good demonstration online already from something like The Open Uni or the numerous American universities offering courses online. Or is it the hands on skills you are concerned about? Using equipment etc?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,037
djr8369 said:
I doubt there is any practical element that doesn’t have a good demonstration online already from something like The Open Uni or the numerous American universities offering courses online. Or is it the hands on skills you are concerned about? Using equipment etc?
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Hands on skills and general engagement. When we were online I voiced over presentations with videos in etc, but it is vastly inferior to doing it yourself. Does seem very unfair imo
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,038
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hands on skills and general engagement. When we were online I voiced over presentations with videos in etc, but it is vastly inferior to doing it yourself. Does seem very unfair imo
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I think engagement is the key issue, personally. There are ways to get the theory in but distance learning providers are delivering to motivated students who have chosen to learn. I assume that’s not the case for most school children.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,039
djr8369 said:
I think engagement is the key issue, personally. There are ways to get the theory in but distance learning providers are delivering to motivated students who have chosen to learn. I assume that’s not the case for most school children.
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I am already finding it very difficult to deliver a mostly practical curriculum through videos and theory. It’s killing the engagement and it seems to disproportionately hit my subject area
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,040
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,041
David O'Day said:
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Brilliant

I love the presentation of facts.

My friend who is probably on her team says the thing they’ve all found hard is that each number represents a human being not just a number and when talking about hospitalisation and deaths it’s hard to get used to
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,042
Sky Blue Pete said:
Brilliant

I love the presentation of facts.

My friend who is probably on her team says the thing they’ve all found hard is that each number represents a human being not just a number and when talking about hospitalisation and deaths it’s hard to get used to
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The graph which shows the big drop in NI a week on from closing the schools is very telling.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,043
chiefdave said:
The graph which shows the big drop in NI a week on from closing the schools is very telling.
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Predicted as much when they did it
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,044
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Predicted as much when they did it
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Yep so does the graph showing how to get the r rate down. I have no problem keeping schools open so long as it’s acknowledged that it requires other steps to avoid issues in hospital or deaths
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,045
David O'Day said:
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Frightening stuff
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,046
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep so does the graph showing how to get the r rate down. I have no problem keeping schools open so long as it’s acknowledged that it requires other steps to avoid issues in hospital or deaths
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yep closing everything but schools would take 9 weeks of lockdown

why are the official version of sage so scared to admit these things
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,047
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep so does the graph showing how to get the r rate down. I have no problem keeping schools open so long as it’s acknowledged that it requires other steps to avoid issues in hospital or deaths
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I would take 3 weeks of everything shut over 9 weeks of turgid crap
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,048
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would take 3 weeks of everything shut over 9 weeks of turgid crap
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So would most but at least it shows there is a way out if the government can get it's act in order
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,049
David O'Day said:
So would most but at least it shows there is a way out if the government can get it's act in order
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Sell to the public as ripping off a plaster with better to come at the end
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,050
David O'Day said:
So would most but at least it shows there is a way out if the government can get it's act in order
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i suppose it’s more of a way through rather than out and as she says keeping things working is only possible with a test trace and isolate system that works
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,051
David O'Day said:
why are the official version of sage so scared to admit these things
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A lot of the scientists who are on official SAGE have been saying similar. Going back to the summer there was a constant stream of SAGE experts appearing in the media saying if we were going to open schools closures would be needed elsewhere. They've also recommended a national lockdown and said the longer it is left the less effective it will be. Problem is the government aren't listening.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,052

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Infection levels in England are about four times higher than the government's worst-case winter plan.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,053
chiefdave said:
A lot of the scientists who are on official SAGE have been saying similar. Going back to the summer there was a constant stream of SAGE experts appearing in the media saying if we were going to open schools closures would be needed elsewhere. They've also recommended a national lockdown and said the longer it is left the less effective it will be. Problem is the government aren't listening.
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I guess they've looked at the negative polling response to Starmer calling for a national lockdown and decided it's not worth it. As usual letting the class set the rules
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,054
We're past lock down now anyway estimated something like 120k people are getting it per day around England now, just got to cross our Fi gera and hope the NHS has the capacity but since cove hospital is doubling every 5 or so Days I doubt it very much.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,055
Kieranp96 said:
We're past lock down now anyway estimated something like 120k people are getting it per day around England now, just got to cross our Fi gera and hope the NHS has the capacity but since cove hospital is doubling every 5 or so Days I doubt it very much.
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It's better late than never. It will have a knock on effect after a few weeks. Even if we do exceed capacity if we go into a lockdown/circuit breaker it'll prevent it getting even worse in the weeks/months that follow. If not we're going to have problems all over, not just covid. Other patients will die due to support being unavailable in other areas. Front line staff will be massively at risk due to number of cases and the massive stress that comes with that, esp mixed in with the short days and lack of vit D affecting people's mood and mental health.

It's been fucked up again but two wrongs don't make a right.
 

SBAndy

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,056
Kieranp96 said:
We're past lock down now anyway estimated something like 120k people are getting it per day around England now, just got to cross our Fi gera and hope the NHS has the capacity but since cove hospital is doubling every 5 or so Days I doubt it very much.
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So do nothing but cross fingers and hope for the best? The horse has bolted but it doesn’t mean we should let the other horses follow out of the wide open gate.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,057
SBAndy said:
So do nothing but cross fingers and hope for the best? The horse has bolted but it doesn’t mean we should let the other horses follow out of the wide open gate.
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Nah according to him the country hasn’t been in better shape
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,058
Lucky it isn't the 20-40 demographic .
Can't beat a bit of collateral euthanasia.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,059
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nah according to him the country hasn’t been in better shape
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Cretin .
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,060
wingy said:
Cretin .
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My guess is if the NEU/NASUWT started calling for an evidence-driven 3 week total lockdown including schools Boris would revert to getting Williamson to 'crack the unions'
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,061
Second confirmed case in my office today. Still not telling people who it is.

One colleague has told me it is the sales director who has not been following the rules. Would make sense why they are covering it up.

A client has told me today he spoke to another sales guy who says he has it, the same colleague who's house I was at on Friday. This colleague won't tell me anything because he is scared to get in trouble.


I've just emailed my director asking if he thinks I need to get a test. He said 'follow government guidlines' in a very carefully worded email.

Utter fucking shambles.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,062
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's better late than never. It will have a knock on effect after a few weeks. Even if we do exceed capacity if we go into a lockdown/circuit breaker it'll prevent it getting even worse in the weeks/months that follow. If not we're going to have problems all over, not just covid. Other patients will die due to support being unavailable in other areas. Front line staff will be massively at risk due to number of cases and the massive stress that comes with that, esp mixed in with the short days and lack of vit D affecting people's mood and mental health.

It's been fucked up again but two wrongs don't make a right.
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But as soon as lock down is over it will explode again, it's not like ebola or other viruses, shit stays on money for 28 days I think they said.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,063
SBAndy said:
So do nothing but cross fingers and hope for the best? The horse has bolted but it doesn’t mean we should let the other horses follow out of the wide open gate.
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Who said do nothing? If you hadn't noticed more and more places are going into t3 lock down.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,064
Kieranp96 said:
But as soon as lock down is over it will explode again, it's not like ebola or other viruses, shit stays on money for 28 days I think they said.
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It will return yes, but the strategy is to stop health services being overwhelmed with many cases at the same time. If we can slow transmission again so that doesn't happen it could make a massive difference to people surviving by getting cases down. I'm not putting it forward as a cure but a mitigating factor that will help reduce the impact.

Saying "well what's the point it'll only come back when it ends" you may as well say "well, why bother giving any healthcare to anyone for anything. they'll only end up getting ill again or dying of old age in the future so it's just wasting money delaying the inevitable"
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,065
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It will return yes, but the strategy is to stop health services being overwhelmed with many cases at the same time. If we can slow transmission again so that doesn't happen it could make a massive difference to people surviving by getting cases down. I'm not putting it forward as a cure but a mitigating factor that will help reduce the impact.

Saying "well what's the point it'll only come back when it ends" you may as well say "well, why bother giving any healthcare to anyone for anything. they'll only end up getting ill again or dying of old age in the future so it's just wasting money delaying the inevitable"
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I think we're past protecting it.
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,066
Brighton Sky Blue said:
My guess is if the NEU/NASUWT started calling for an evidence-driven 3 week total lockdown including schools Boris would revert to getting Williamson to 'crack the unions'
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With Starmer ‘supporting the Government measures’
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,067
Can anyone please explain why we are still waiting and what we are waiting for???
 
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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,068
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can anyone please explain why we are still waiting and what we are waiting for???
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Duncan Smith to give the nod
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,069
Deleted member 5849 said:
Duncan Smith to give the nod
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France 580 deaths just round the corner
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 30, 2020
  • #35,070
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can anyone please explain why we are still waiting and what we are waiting for???
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Boris locked himself in a fridge.
 
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