It is true though, if you're willing to put in the work in, for example, you can go to college and do a range of courses to better yourself, no point in crying because someone else was born with a silver spoon up there arse and they answer phones at daddy's firm for 100k a year
Everyone does have the same chance, the system in this country gives ample opportunity to better yourself if you're willing to put the work in?
Just out of interest, what do you do to to better the opportunities of your fellow countrymen?
Just out of interest, what do you do to to better the opportunities of your fellow countrymen?
I vote for something that I think might at least give the poorest of them a better chance (even if it might mean that personally I might be slightly worse off).
And I challenge obviously crap arguments, not in the hope of convincing their proponents, because they'll rarely engage in serious debate, but so that the facts are at least out there.
(I also pay my fair share of taxes, don't give or take bribes for favours, and I pay for my own wallpaper).
Like Brexit then.There is of course zero evidence that the Labour Party will make anyone better off.
I vote for something that I think might at least give the poorest of them a better chance (even if it might mean that personally I might be slightly worse off).
And I challenge obviously crap arguments, not in the hope of convincing their proponents, because they'll rarely engage in serious debate, but so that the facts are at least out there.
(I also pay my fair share of taxes, don't give or take bribes for favours, and I pay for my own wallpaper).
In other words you do fuck all to help out anyone. Could have listed anything, feeding the homeless, volunteering, giving to charity and the best you could come up with is that you put an X in a box once every four years & try to insult randoms on the internet who don't agree with you.
What do you mean when you say 'give the poorest of them a better chance'? Education for adults is already free for GCSE's and at minimum cost once you get into more niche courses. Granted Uni is a massive commitment but it comes with massive benefits as well, such as not having to pay back tuition fees until you hit a salary of £24,000? not having to pay council tax, even lenders will give you leeway with mortgages and debt. There's ample opportunity to progress if you're willing to put the time and effort in.
Btw, I think the clap for carers was stupid and that nurses should be given a pay rise.
In other words you do fuck all to help out anyone. Could have listed anything, feeding the homeless, volunteering, giving to charity and the best you could come up with is that you put an X in a box once every four years & try to insult randoms on the internet who don't agree with you.
What do you mean when you say 'give the poorest of them a better chance'? Education for adults is already free for GCSE's and at minimum cost once you get into more niche courses. Granted Uni is a massive commitment but it comes with massive benefits as well, such as not having to pay back tuition fees until you hit a salary of £24,000? not having to pay council tax, even lenders will give you leeway with mortgages and debt. There's ample opportunity to progress if you're willing to put the time and effort in.
Btw, I think the clap for carers was stupid and that nurses should be given a pay rise.
You are correct- there IS ample opportunity to progress. But it is not equally spread across society, and that's the point being made.
Official statistics.
Further education as a whole
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- 74.7% of people starting undergraduate degrees in the 2018 to 2019 academic year were White (including White ethnic minorities)
- 11.5% were Asian, 7.9% were Black, 4.2% had Mixed ethnicity, and 1.7% were from the Other ethnic group
- in the 12 years to July 2019, the percentage of entrants from the Asian, Black, Mixed and Other ethnic groups combined increased from 17.2% to 25.3%
- in the same period, the percentage of entrants from the Asian ethnic group increased from 8.0% to 11.5% – the largest percentage point increase out of all ethnic groups
- the percentage of entrants from the Mixed ethnic group went up by 1.8 percentage points from 2.4% to 4.2%
- in the same period, the percentage of entrants from the White ethnic group went down by around 8 percentage points from 82.8% to 74.7%, the only ethnic group which had a decrease
It will be harder for some then others due to things out of their control, but the opportunities are open to everyone if you're willing to work for it.
Problem with this argument is it posits that we exist in a perfect state with everyone reaching their potential and I’m not sure there’s any evidence for that.
I’d also argue all the volunteering in the world won’t beat a decent government being elected in terms of helping the disadvantaged.
I found teaching very personally rewarding, but couldn’t help but feel I’d directly impact more kids working for an educational software firm or an NGO, ultimately you’re at the behest of the government of the day and bound by existing practices as an individual.
Also charity support is very spotty and at the behest of a few individuals as to who to help. Government support has better impact every time. If for no other reason than they’re legally accountable in many cases.
Again - you’ve used circumstantial data as proof that ‘opportunities are equal for everyone’ - which again is shite. This does not take into consideration those that don’t elect for education beyond Level 3 and let’s talk about the biggest barrier to that… a lack of money.Official statistics.
Further education as a whole
View attachment 20444
University:-
- 74.7% of people starting undergraduate degrees in the 2018 to 2019 academic year were White (including White ethnic minorities)
- 11.5% were Asian, 7.9% were Black, 4.2% had Mixed ethnicity, and 1.7% were from the Other ethnic group
- in the 12 years to July 2019, the percentage of entrants from the Asian, Black, Mixed and Other ethnic groups combined increased from 17.2% to 25.3%
- in the same period, the percentage of entrants from the Asian ethnic group increased from 8.0% to 11.5% – the largest percentage point increase out of all ethnic groups
- the percentage of entrants from the Mixed ethnic group went up by 1.8 percentage points from 2.4% to 4.2%
- in the same period, the percentage of entrants from the White ethnic group went down by around 8 percentage points from 82.8% to 74.7%, the only ethnic group which had a decrease
It will be harder for some then others due to things out of their control, but the opportunities are open to everyone if you're willing to work for it.
You're really saying the opportunities are the same for everyone?
You're really saying the opportunities are the same for everyone?
See, you say one thing, but your actions are something different. Found a way to hide your new found wealth from the tax man yet?
Official statistics.
Further education as a whole
View attachment 20444
University:-
- 74.7% of people starting undergraduate degrees in the 2018 to 2019 academic year were White (including White ethnic minorities)
- 11.5% were Asian, 7.9% were Black, 4.2% had Mixed ethnicity, and 1.7% were from the Other ethnic group
- in the 12 years to July 2019, the percentage of entrants from the Asian, Black, Mixed and Other ethnic groups combined increased from 17.2% to 25.3%
- in the same period, the percentage of entrants from the Asian ethnic group increased from 8.0% to 11.5% – the largest percentage point increase out of all ethnic groups
- the percentage of entrants from the Mixed ethnic group went up by 1.8 percentage points from 2.4% to 4.2%
- in the same period, the percentage of entrants from the White ethnic group went down by around 8 percentage points from 82.8% to 74.7%, the only ethnic group which had a decrease
It will be harder for some then others due to things out of their control, but the opportunities are open to everyone if you're willing to work for it.
It’s the American myth those who work hard succeed those who fail don’t work hard. The facts just don’t back it upInteresting that you decided to take everyone not getting equal opportunity to mean along racial lines. For me it's more along class/ wealth lines, although those of ethnic minorities are more likely to fall into that category and if anything what you've shown here supports that even taking into account the larger white population. I'd also argue whether females get the same opportunities as men for the same input and hard work.
So I ask whether Bozza Johnson of Sidney Stringer would get the same opportunities Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson of Eton got if he got the same results academically etc which he'd undoubtedly have to work far harder to achieve? Would he get offered a place at Oxford? Would he have been given the jobs as a journalist and the numerous other opportunities after getting sacked from those jobs? I think we all know what the opinion of him as an absent father with many kids by numerous women and probably even more would be if he were a man from an inner city area.
But, yep, it's the same for everyone if they put in the same amount of hard work.
Interesting that you decided to take the ascertain of everyone not getting equal opportunity to mean along racial lines. For me it's more along class/ wealth lines, although those of ethnic minorities are more likely to fall into that category and if anything what you've shown here supports that even taking into account the larger white population. I'd also argue whether females get the same opportunities as men for the same input and hard work.
So I ask whether Bozza Johnson of Sidney Stringer would get the same opportunities Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson of Eton got if he got the same results academically etc which he'd undoubtedly have to work far harder to achieve? Would he get offered a place at Oxford? Would he have been given the jobs as a journalist and the numerous other opportunities after getting sacked from those jobs? I think we all know what the opinion of him as an absent father with many kids by numerous women and probably even more would be if he were a man from an inner city area.
But, yep, it's the same for everyone if they put in the same amount of hard work.
I think you'll find it was actually you that used the racial lines, Thick bastard at Eton (you mean Bojo) & a clever person from Foleshill (you mean Asian).
Funny that you bring up the most privileged group to ever walk the planet, western women. Not only do they achieve higher grades all through the education system, they out earn men all through their 20's (tend to take a step back once having children(as it should be)), shorter jail terms for the same offences, less work place fatalities, less suicides, less likely to be homeless, family court is massively in their favour and far more likely to keep children as well as more likely to stop the other parent seeing their children, ultimately they live longer too. 15 years out of the last 40 we've had a female prime minister, female head of state for 70 years.
I've answered that question, it's down to connections, and of course the nobody needs to work harder, What are we going to do? say you're not allowed friends, just incase his child grows up to be a plumber and will charge you half the price he charges the person he has no connection too down the road.
Edit:- I'm not going to reply to this thread now, just going round in circles.
Everyone does have the same chance, the system in this country gives ample opportunity to better yourself if you're willing to put the work in?
Spoken like a truly privileged middle class straight white male id imagine.He is angry and wants to blame something for his own personal inadequacies - he’s not alone on here.
Like Brexit.He is angry and wants to blame something for his own personal inadequacies - he’s not alone on here.
Funny that you bring up the most privileged group to ever walk the planet, western women. Not only do they achieve higher grades all through the education system, they out earn men all through their 20's (tend to take a step back once having children(as it should be)), shorter jail terms for the same offences, less work place fatalities, less suicides, less likely to be homeless, family court is massively in their favour and far more likely to keep children as well as more likely to stop the other parent seeing their children, ultimately they live longer too. 15 years out of the last 40 we've had a female prime minister, female head of state for 70 years.
One of the more deranged paragraphs we’ve had on here for a while. Too many highlights to count, but claiming that having a female monarch is a sign that women have never had it so good may be the best of the lot. A true inspiration to girlbosses everywhere.
he also mentioned female prime minister - we’ve had two clearly - as well as a female Asian Home Secretary from humble beginnings, and 4 other cabinet Positions I think are held by women
15 years out of the last 40! Great job, ladies! Never did more privileged creatures walk the earth.
(Well, it’s actually 12 years out of the last 40, and 14 years out of the last 300, but perhaps you agree this is just “as it should be”)
I think it’s a fair point you knowhe also mentioned female prime minister - we’ve had two clearly - as well as a female Asian Home Secretary from humble beginnings, and 4 other cabinet Positions I think are held by women
It’s also rather childish and absurd to try and claim lack of female representation before they were even allowed the vote but each to their own
So remind me again why you’re springing to the defence of the guy who says western women are the most privileged group to ever walk the planet?
I think you'll find it was actually you that used the racial lines, Thick bastard at Eton (you mean Bojo) & a clever person from Foleshill (you mean Asian).
Funny that you bring up the most privileged group to ever walk the planet, western women. Not only do they achieve higher grades all through the education system, they out earn men all through their 20's (tend to take a step back once having children(as it should be)), shorter jail terms for the same offences, less work place fatalities, less suicides, less likely to be homeless, family court is massively in their favour and far more likely to keep children as well as more likely to stop the other parent seeing their children, ultimately they live longer too. 15 years out of the last 40 we've had a female prime minister, female head of state for 70 years.
I've answered that question, it's down to connections, and of course the nobody needs to work harder, What are we going to do? say you're not allowed friends, just incase his child grows up to be a plumber and will charge you half the price he charges the person he has no connection too down the road.
Edit:- I'm not going to reply to this thread now, just going round in circles.
im not I’m pointing out the absurdity and ignorance of your response
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