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Grendel

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #176
Matt Godden is a lower league journeyman by these metrics but was successful in league 1
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #177
Ccfcisparks said:
Yes because our foreign players generally turn out to be a success.
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BRB off to tell Hamer and Dabo to GTFO.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #178
shmmeee said:
BRB off to tell Hamer and Dabo to GTFO.
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Dabo wasnt an overseas signing, we signed him from Chelsea.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #179
Grendel said:
Matt Godden is a lower league journeyman by these metrics but was successful in league 1
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That’s a fair point. But also he was in his mid twenties when we signed him, not 31. And came with a better goal scoring record.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #180
shmmeee said:
That’s a fair point. But also he was in his mid twenties when we signed him, not 31. And came with a better goal scoring record.
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At a lower level
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #181
Ccfcisparks said:
Dabo wasnt an overseas signing, we signed him from Chelsea.
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It must be that time of year again.

Can’t you just read one the hundred other threads this argument has been played out on?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #182
shmmeee said:
It must be that time of year again.

Can’t you just read one the hundred other threads this argument has been played out on?
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Did we sign him from Chelsea yes or no?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #183
Ccfcisparks said:
At a lower level
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We signed him at a lower level. Point is he was on his way up. Waghorn was just released by a team that finished well below us. He’s coming off a poor season and we’re gambling on him coming good again.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #184
Ccfcisparks said:
Did we sign him from Chelsea yes or no?
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Did we scout him abroad yes or no?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #185
shmmeee said:
Did we scout him abroad yes or no?
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Did we sign him from Chelsea?
 
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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #186
Ccfcisparks said:
Did we sign him from Chelsea yes or no?
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Dabo overseas lol. Hamer who we had to spend £1m on. Schmmeee has a weird obsession with the foreign signings so much so that he spent the whole of last season trying to convince everyone DaCosta was good. The reason we’ve had to shop abroad was because we couldn’t afford proven championship players
 
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procdoc

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #187
shmmeee said:
BRB off to tell Hamer and Dabo to GTFO.
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Dabo is English and was at Chelsea
 
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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #188
shmmeee said:
Did we scout him abroad yes or no?
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He’d already played half a season in league one you muppet
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #189
shmmeee said:
Did we scout him abroad yes or no?
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It’s debatable as he also played for Swindon and also for Chelsea in the checkatrade and this article suggests it was more his association with Viveash and his time at Chelsea

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Marty

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #190
shmmeee said:
Did we scout him abroad yes or no?
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ADI worked with him for years tbf. Bit of difference signing someone performing well in a good league like Hamer to hilssner from like the German farmers league. Bet he couldn't believe his luck when he found out.
 
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procdoc

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #191
shmmeee said:
We signed him at a lower level. Point is he was on his way up. Waghorn was just released by a team that finished well below us. He’s coming off a poor season and we’re gambling on him coming good again.
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Godden is 29 so only 2 years younger than Waghorn. Also Derby offered him a new contract so wasn’t released. He didn’t have a great season but no one at Derby did, doesn’t mean he’s a bad player
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #192
Ccfcisparks said:
Did we sign him from Chelsea?
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Did he go through the foreign player recruitment process?

Rose? Hamer? Say what you like about Jobello and Dacosta but both did a job for the team.

You’ve got Kasta and Hilßner though. Just like the domestic process has Bosma, Allassani, Brown, Ogogo…
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #193
procdoc said:
Godden is 29 so only 2 years younger than Waghorn
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We signed him two years ago.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #194
shmmeee said:
Did he go through the foreign player recruitment process?

Rose? Hamer? Say what you like about Jobello and Dacosta but both did a job for the team.

You’ve got Kasta and Hilßner though. Just like the domestic process has Bosma, Allassani, Brown, Ogogo…
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How do you know we went through the foreign player recruitment process? People have posted numerous articles showing it was his link to Viveash that meant we signed him. Rose is not an overseas signing either and Jobello was a dud.
 

1ccfc

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #195
Malaka said:
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on
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That explains why he did so well here and seemed to flop everywhere else. It's the old 'horses for courses'.
 
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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #196
shmmeee said:
Did he go through the foreign player recruitment process?

Rose? Hamer? Say what you like about Jobello and Dacosta but both did a job for the team.

You’ve got Kasta and Hilßner though. Just like the domestic process has Bosma, Allassani, Brown, Ogogo…
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Rose!? You’re getting desperate. Must have scouted Waghorn from Rangers too.

Back with the DaCosta obsession again too
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #197
Ccfcisparks said:
How do you know we went through the foreign player recruitment process? People have posted numerous articles showing it was his link to Viveash that meant we signed him. Rose is not an overseas signing either and Jobello was a dud.
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Sure. I’m sure Viveash just said “I saw this kid years ago sign him” and that was it.

Ogogo was a dud. Don’t sign players from the same division. Alassani was a dud, don’t sign players from lower leagues. Giles was a dud, don’t take Prem loans. We can all cherry pick to suit our arguments.
 
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procdoc

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #198
shmmeee said:
We signed him two years ago.
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He wasn’t an ‘up and coming’ player at 27 was he. He’d been a lower league journeyman
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #199
shmmeee said:
Waghorn is a journeyman. He holds the record for scoring for different clubs in the division.

Moore is a L1 keeper. His record at this level is worse than Wilson’s. I’m hoping the rumour were after another GK is true.

Who was I expecting? Same as previous seasons really, some young Prem castoffs (Sheaf/Györkeres) some up and coming lower league/foreign players, a couple of experienced frees. Just would rather have the experience at the back or in midfield or at least a big striker. If Moore had experience he’d be fine, but he’s barely played since his mid twenties. Concerned Waghorn did nothing in a poor Derby side last year and their general consensus is his best days are behind him and he’s not cheap.
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I get where you're coming from but I think most of that is now because of the level we're now at. The closing off of some of the European markets has probably had a bigger impact than many realise & not just in taking players from there - it's put a premium on British talent to the point where a L2 striker for example becomes a very expensive gamble. We're a very small fish in a very large pond in the Championship &, as we've seen with Matty James, the reality is there's always a bigger fish.

I still think there's scope to add some younger players from the Premier League but they are likely to be loans & much later in the window as parent clubs make their minds up as to where a young player fits in to their current & future plans. This often involves recruiting their own players first & even tying the youngsters down to new contracts etc before agreeing to loan them out.

The other thing, as MR alluded to, you've got a lot of players really unsure on their value in the post Covid market right now. A lot of them may be hanging on thinking they might get a better offer (can't blame them for that) but will soon realise that the market is not now what it was.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #200
shmmeee said:
Ogogo was a dud. Don’t sign players from the same division. Alassani was a dud, don’t sign players from lower leagues. Giles was a dud, don’t take Prem loans. We can all cherry pick to suit our arguments.
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We've had won semi success from our overseas signings and that is Hamer. Any other is you just kidding yourself. Of course there are going to be more domestic duds, we sign a lot more of them, and we signed Ogogo 3 years ago. Stop kidding yourself.
 

cc84cov

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #201
shmmeee said:
Waghorn is a journeyman. He holds the record for scoring for different clubs in the division.

Moore is a L1 keeper. His record at this level is worse than Wilson’s. I’m hoping the rumour were after another GK is true.

Who was I expecting? Same as previous seasons really, some young Prem castoffs (Sheaf/Györkeres) some up and coming lower league/foreign players, a couple of experienced frees. Just would rather have the experience at the back or in midfield or at least a big striker. If Moore had experience he’d be fine, but he’s barely played since his mid twenties. Concerned Waghorn did nothing in a poor Derby side last year and their general consensus is his best days are behind him and he’s not cheap.
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Maybe that’s why he did nothing as he was in such a poor side ? He still scored more than our top scorer tho didn’t he
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #202
procdoc said:
He wasn’t an ‘up and coming’ player at 27 was he. He’d been a lower league journeyman
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I didn’t say he was “up and coming” so not sure who you are quoting. I said he was on the way up as in he was moving up through the divisions. He hasn’t rattled around the same level for years which was the original point.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #203
shmmeee said:
I didn’t say he was “up and coming” so not sure who you are quoting. I said he was on the way up as in he was moving up through the divisions. He hasn’t rattled around the same level for years which was the original point.
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So Biamou was considered a player on the way up?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #204
shmmeee said:
I didn’t say he was “up and coming” so not sure who you are quoting. I said he was on the way up as in he was moving up through the divisions. He hasn’t rattled around the same level for years which was the original point.
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He made his debut in the championship
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #205
Ccfcisparks said:
We've had won semi success from our overseas signings and that is Hamer. Any other is you just kidding yourself. Of course there are going to be more domestic duds, we sign a lot more of them, and we signed Ogogo 3 years ago. Stop kidding yourself.
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We signed Kasta two years ago and you’re still going on about him. So to be clear it’s only a “semi success[ful]” foreign signing if they are one of our best players and they had to travel over an ocean to get here. Any other provisos?
 
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Will we stay up

As full back? If we go 4 at the back I’d prefer Pask but who plays at right back isn’t a deal breaker.
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Match Thread - Luton

Fluke a goal from a mistake or set piece. Always going to be our best chance 10v11 We aren't even testing their keeper. They could probably take him off and not concede so far. It's mental to say we are still in it at 2-0 down on 87 minutes when the keeper hasn't made a save all game.
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Match Thread - Swansea

Decent first half. They’ve had the best chances but again our play in final third lacking and our best efforts come with C’OH has managed to get the ball at his feet and turned the defender. Scraps for front two at the moment as their system pushing our midfielders everywhere and no real...
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Dreadful January window our downfall

No I didn't but ok... Who was available that we could have signed then? Again this is ridiculous - you have Claimed we couldn’t afford strikers of championship quality - we clearly could. No one knew James was coming till a few days before - the owners job is to fund survival not just lie back...
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Match Thread - Coventry v Watford

He's done well can't be everywhere..played a massive part playing lone striker in the performance so far. Their defenders arnt enjoying him. O hare finding so much space in between midfield and their defence expect them to cut that out address that 2nd half. His runs show no intelligence today...
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Match Thread - Forest (H) Tuesday, 7 pm KO

ffs
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Match Thread - Norwich FA cup

We will struggle to progress without a better set of options up front. Matty james looks good. Da Costa second half excellent and bapaga needs a number of 15 min cameos Biamou will keep us up imo Get a new striker only if they will be better than godden and walker.
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Match Thread - Huddersfield

Dabo is playing from memory. He clearly isn't 100% but is putting his body on the line twice a week. Kudos to the guy, who really needs a rest, but we haven't got cover for him. First game he'll get a break will be the Norwich cup tie (if he hasn't broken down before)
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@shmmeee DaCosta won’t shag you mate
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #207
Grendel said:
He made his debut in the championship
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And then he dropped down to ebbesfleet and worked his way back up.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #208
shmmeee said:
We signed Kasta two years ago and you’re still going on about him. So to be clear it’s only a “semi success[ful]” foreign signing if they are one of our best players and they had to travel over an ocean to get here. Any other provisos?
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So you are counting Da Costa as a success hahahahaha unbelievable.
 
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procdoc

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #209
shmmeee said:
I didn’t say he was “up and coming” so not sure who you are quoting. I said he was on the way up as in he was moving up through the divisions. He hasn’t rattled around the same level for years which was the original point.
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We have signed a player that overall has a decent record at this level. He’s an upgrade on most of our forwards. He didn’t have a great season last year but he didn’t score many less than our current forwards in a side that finished 11 points behind us. He gives us experience in this league which is what everyone was saying we were crying out for last season
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #210
If we are after Bright I wonder if that means Paterson deal is not happening


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