SISU are NOT compromising...they're paying f*ck all...that is the major problem
When you're a company director; you have to operate within company law, and contract law. Failure to do so, and the company faces the consequences.
Fisher has overseen a stance that has put the club in peril; and has negotiated in a way that has placed the future of the club at risk.
If he's to blame or not is for him, his conscience and the reflection that stares back at him in the shaving mirror to decide
Come on lads, we are almost there!! Soon the club will be gone but at least the evil SISU will be gone forever!!
If the £400k is agreed why don’t they back date and pay that sum now as a good will gesture? Discussions over the other revenue streams could then start again/continue?
Seems like there's quite a few on here who have messy pants over the idea of ACL finally bringing us to our knees. Still, they can all congregate outside the ACL office every other week can't they for their sporting pleasure?
Seems like there's quite a few on here who have messy pants over the idea of ACL finally bringing us to our knees. Still, they can all congregate outside the ACL office every other week can't they for their sporting pleasure?
catering income at HR
year............................ Attendance........................ Value
2002................................16150............................537156
2003.................................14813.............................78926
2004................................14816..............................84596
2005................................16048............................911265 (exceptional year due to events put on for leaving HR)
Source CCFC filed accounts
Simply not true. They are paying something.
They didn't have to make any concessions. What concesions have your beloved grasping SISU made? Why can't you see them for what they are-a capitalist venture fund that is meant to exploit struggling businesses, often to those businesses detriment? Again, Call yourself a Socialist? Sorry, you're a lot closer to being a Thatcherite.
Match day costs i believe, not the rent ?
Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong...memory aint what i used to be lol
Come on Torchy - you can see it's SISU's stance and method of negotiating that's got us here.
You may have a valid point that the rent appears too high; but they didn't address it 5 years ago, and are trying to do so now both apparently unlawfully and unprofessionally.
I would have acted more decisively than ACL months and months ago. Trying to negotiate with SISU seems akin to trying to put smoke in your pocket
Seems like there's quite a few on here who have messy pants over the idea of ACL finally bringing us to our knees. Still, they can all congregate outside the ACL office every other week can't they for their sporting pleasure?
1. Although I may act it, I'm not stupid. I know a huge amount of blame can be laid at SISUs door for our situation. I have said many times the Club should make a gesture and pay something to ACL.
2. As you said "the rent appears too high", it is. Very high. Therefore, I also blame ACL for taking advantage of the Club all those years ago. Yes, McGinnity and Co were stupid in agreeing to such a high figure, but someone in ACL/The Council must have put that figure on the table in the first place.
I think they're both as bad as each other in their own way. I'm simply on SISU's "side" as they are the football club.
SISU are NOT compromising...they're paying f*ck all...that is the major problem
catering income at HR
year............................ Attendance........................ Value
2002................................16150............................537156
2003.................................14813.............................78926
2004................................14816..............................84596
2005................................16048............................911265 (exceptional year due to events put on for leaving HR)
Source CCFC filed accounts
You you first point though Torch. A lot in here are saying ACL wankers.
Have you ever heard of business deals getting done where only one side offers compromises.
SISU are not dumb they know they need to re build trust.
Yet they don't offer a penny. It really does make me wonder if they genuinely want the deal.
A compromise can always be met.
1. Although I may act it, I'm not stupid. I know a huge amount of blame can be laid at SISUs door for our situation. I have said many times the Club should make a gesture and pay something to ACL.
2. As you said "the rent appears too high", it is. Very high. Therefore, I also blame ACL for taking advantage of the Club all those years ago. Yes, McGinnity and Co were stupid in agreeing to such a high figure, but someone in ACL/The Council must have put that figure on the table in the first place.
I think they're both as bad as each other in their own way. I'm simply on SISU's "side" as they are the football club.
ACL: “CCFC’s owners can now either take the offer which is on the table or face the legal consequences. It is entirely their decision.”
It was a reserve account that was built up for this eventuality. They didn't plan to give it. It was drawn from the account by ACL. Like SISU intended to pay up, no way?They put 500k into the ESCROW account as well as matchday costs.
We've paid 500k and match day costs.
You've misunderstood my post, I'm saying SISU have compromised in this deal and even at 400k, we'd be paying over market value, if it was unclear, I apologise.
Someone please show me how getting turnover that allows more wages to be paid but also with associated costs of sales means that a company making several millions (3m+) losses every year is going to be more viable.......... if we spend 65% of the turnover (ignoring costs of sales) arent we still making losses?
God I miss the old dump....Take me home...Highfield Road.
About time, our owners have had long enough to sort this out. All you owner fans want is for ACL to cave in and give the owners all they want. Well your nuts is sn't going to happen unless SHITSU are prepared to move from their hard nose stubben ways. Their like kids in a sweet shop, wanting everything not realising it costs money to fill their faces.
Also if we are made to go into Admin then this is the season to do it. We can afford the 10pts deduction without the real risk of going down to L2. And start afresh next season.
I blame SISU and previous owners for this. The rent on offer is significantly lower than when we were bailed out years ago.
If We move stadium the club is dead..... No fans will go to Daventry or any other place. The Butts, Sphinx od Bedworth United' s ground are the only real options. Fans will struggle to get to those grounds. City will be dead if allowed to move out of the area.
About time, our owners have had long enough to sort this out. All you owner fans want is for ACL to cave in and give the owners all they want. Well your nuts is sn't going to happen unless SHITSU are prepared to move from their hard nose stubben ways. Their like kids in a sweet shop, wanting everything not realising it costs money to fill their faces.
Also if we are made to go into Admin then this is the season to do it. We can afford the 10pts deduction without the real risk of going down to L2. And start afresh next season.
catering income at HR
year............................ Attendance........................ Value
2002................................16150............................537156
2003.................................14813.............................78926
2004................................14816..............................84596
2005................................16048............................911265 (exceptional year due to events put on for leaving HR)
Source CCFC filed accounts
Hell's teeth. If this thread contains a few truisms, that's the most stark. If only this were all a dream we could wake up from...
They put 500k into the ESCROW account as well as matchday costs.
Are you sure those figures are correct? I'm not questioning you I'm questioning the accounts themselves. Do you think that the years 2003 and 2004 are a misnomer or something has been accounted differently? I can't see a few events put on in the last season leading to a tenfold increase.
That's your spin on it, but as always, ACL are always the victim, and nothing's ever their fault. Here, ACL are bullying the club to agree an agreement they don't want to.
No one here wants ACL to cave in, what I want is a reasonable agreement, where CCFC get the revenue streams off our own fans at our own events - currently denied - and some debt written off - denied - so it's not only SISU, or as you say SHITSU (which says it all tbh) that are hard-nosed, it's also ACL. As they say, 'it takes two to tango'.
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