Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Coventry City Football Club
  • Coventry City General Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Blackburn and Mowbray (3 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Gynnsthetonic
  • Start date Jan 25, 2022
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
Next
First Prev 3 of 6 Next Last

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #71
PVA said:
Most of his promotions were between 1986 and 1996 though, he's a managerial dinosaur.

The game has moved on.

Since Robins went into management he has as many promotions as Warnock.
Click to expand...

eh? His had 3 promotions hadn’t he since 2005 I think and the last about 4 years ago

the games moved on in 4 years?
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #72
Grendel said:
eh? His had 3 promotions hadn’t he since 2005 I think and the last about 4 years ago

the games moved on in 4 years?
Click to expand...

Yes he had 5 promotions from 86 to 96, and 3 from 96 to 22.

3 promotions in 26 years is not incredible.

Or if you think it is then you must think that Robins is God-like.
 
Reactions: BaldyJ

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #73
PVA said:
Yes he had 5 promotions from 86 to 96, and 3 from 96 to 22.

3 promotions in 26 years is not incredible.

Or if you think it is then you must think that Robins is God-like.
Click to expand...

he had 3 promotions from 2005 to 2018 all from the championship to tbe premier league.

he holds the most promotions of all time in English football doesnt he?
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #74
Grendel said:
he had 3 promotions from 2005 to 2018 all from the championship to tbe premier league.

he holds the most promotions of all time in English football doesnt he?
Click to expand...

You're conveniently ignoring the 9 years from 1996 to 2005 and 4 years from 2018 to 2022 without one. If you play it that way, then Robins had 2 promotions from 2017 to 2019. What a record that is!

Yes he has the record, my point is the majority of those were 25-35 years ago, hence why I said he's a dinosaur. 35 years is a long, long, long time ago.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #75
PVA said:
You're conveniently ignoring the 9 years from 1996 to 2005 and 4 years from 2018 to 2022 without one. If you play it that way, then Robins had 2 promotions from 2017 to 2019. What a record that is!

Yes he has the record, my point is the majority of those were 25-35 years ago, hence why I said he's a dinosaur. 35 years is a long, long, long time ago.
Click to expand...

2018 isn’t 35 years ago

3 promotions this century into the Premier League is a lot harder than 6th in league 2

If you like him or not he’s been a superb manager over the years and would have been a far better choice than Coleman when Ranson took over. He’s a winner at championship level and at that time was in a relative ascendency

it’s not even a debate
 
Reactions: slowpoke

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #76
Warnock was a fantastic manager, one of the best ever at this level, but the game has now moved on & he was completely left behind in recent years. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
 
Reactions: AOM, djr8369, no_loyalty and 1 other person

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #77
Frostie said:
Warnock was a fantastic manager, one of the best ever at this level, but the game has now moved on & he was completely left behind in recent years. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Click to expand...

Which was my point and it’s a frustration we never tried to get him here when we were just moving to the Arena
 
Reactions: Terry Gibson's perm
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #78
Grendel said:
2018 isn’t 35 years ago

3 promotions this century into the Premier League is a lot harder than 6th in league 2

If you like him or not he’s been a superb manager over the years and would have been a far better choice than Coleman when Ranson took over. He’s a winner at championship level and at that time was in a relative ascendency

it’s not even a debate
Click to expand...

I never compared him to Coleman and Coleman is shit so I'm not sure what your point is there.

3 promotions in 26 years is not incredible and as I say he's completely behind the times now.
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #79
Frostie said:
Warnock was a fantastic manager, one of the best ever at this level, but the game has now moved on & he was completely left behind in recent years. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Click to expand...

Exactly, I don't know why that was so hard to grasp!
 
Reactions: Grendel

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #80
Grendel said:
Which was my point and it’s a frustration we never tried to get him here when we were just moving to the Arena
Click to expand...

Yeah, Coleman (and Ranson's) tenure was utterly disastrous & I wonder how much of that has played into the way Sisu are now.
On paper they were investing in a reasonable model (on the playing side not off the field) but they trusted the wrong people to deliver it.
 
Reactions: Wiseoldfool and shmmeee

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #81
PVA said:
I never compared him to Coleman and Coleman is shit so I'm not sure what your point is there.

3 promotions in 26 years is not incredible and as I say he's completely behind the times now.
Click to expand...

my point was in the original post he’d have been a perfect appointment instead of Coleman and at that time was very successful

Do you agree?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #82
Frostie said:
Yeah, Coleman (and Ranson's) tenure was utterly disastrous & I wonder how much of that has played into the way Sisu are now.
On paper they were investing in a reasonable model (on the playing side not off the field) but they trusted the wrong people to deliver it.
Click to expand...

Ramson was a snake. He used to spend a fair bit of time wining and dining round Surrey with Coleman, Keane and thorn.

His Prozone business was never the great data entity he claimed - he charged Wonga interest rates on takeover paid himself a fortune and employed his chums.

I mention Warnock as he once said he could have got him in but chose Coleman as he plays football the way he likes.

Ok Ray
 
Reactions: Jesse Carver
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #83
Grendel said:
my point was in the original post he’d have been a perfect appointment instead of Coleman and at that time was very successful

Do you agree?
Click to expand...

He would have been better than Coleman yes. But that was 14 years ago.

The discussion was about managers past their best that keep getting jobs. The fact you're bringing up a potential appointment from 14 years ago as a plus point just proves my point.

Who would you rather have in charge right now - Warnock or Robins?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #84
PVA said:
Exactly, I don't know why that was so hard to grasp!
Click to expand...

So you agree he was a brilliant championship manager on top of his game 15 years ago

ok that’s cool
 
Reactions: PVA

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #85
Grendel said:
eh? His had 3 promotions hadn’t he since 2005 I think and the last about 4 years ago

the games moved on in 4 years?
Click to expand...
He went up with QPR in 2012, 4 years after Coleman was appointed
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #86
PVA said:
He would have been better than Coleman yes. But that was 14 years ago.

The discussion was about managers past their best that keep getting jobs. The fact you're bringing up a potential appointment from 14 years ago as a plus point just proves my point.
Click to expand...

The job before middlesborough even at 70 years old he achieved promotion

Fact yes?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #87
fernandopartridge said:
He went up with QPR in 2012, 4 years after Coleman was appointed
Click to expand...

PVA thinks he is a dinosaur though
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #88
Grendel said:
The job before middlesborough even at 70 years old he achieved promotion
Click to expand...

Right now, Warnock or Robins?
 
Reactions: Grendel
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #89
Grendel said:
PVA thinks he is a dinosaur though
Click to expand...

Ask Boro fans what they think.
 
Reactions: Grendel

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #90
PVA said:
Right now, Warnock or Robins?
Click to expand...

Warnock is 73 and like I’ve said in his last job got a promotion

Why you get so agitated I have no idea. Robins is irrelevant to the subject - you mentioned warnock in tbe same breath as younger journeymen managers.

Robins will never achieve his number of promotions as oddly no one else has. Oddly also if he did and he was 70 you’d be saying the game has passed him by and he’s a dinosaur

He won a promotion 5 years ago and he’s not on a managerial merry go round. He lives In Cornwall but clubs keep asking him to be their manager
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #91
fernandopartridge said:
He went up with QPR in 2012, 4 years after Coleman was appointed
Click to expand...

He was clearly in his pre Jurassic stage of evolution then
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #92
You can't answer the question. Or rather, you're too embarrassed to.

How's Kenny Jackett getting on these days?

Jackett or Robins? Can you answer that one?
 
Reactions: Grendel

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #93
PVA said:
You can't answer the question. Or rather, you're too embarrassed to.

How's Kenny Jackett getting on these days?

Jackett or Robins? Can you answer that one?
Click to expand...

Your debating ability and power of intellect leaves me floored - I’m sure no one agrees with my points and as ever all bow down to the Forum Guru
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #94
Won't answer that one either then.

Imagine actually wanting Kenny Jackett instead of Mark Robins
 
Reactions: Grendel

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #95
PVA said:
Won't answer that one either then.

Imagine actually wanting Kenny Jackett instead of Mark Robins
Click to expand...

I’m bowing down - I’m waiving the white flag - why are you kicking me while I’m down

Forgive me - I won’t challenge your superior knowledge on this topic again
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #96
Warnock spent over 12 million pounds on transfers during cardiffs promotion season of 17/18
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #97
I couldn't stand him, but Warnock was a very good manager. Obviously his prowess waned over the last few years, but we would have been in a much better position had we employed him around the time of Coleman et al
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #98
QPR had a wage bill over over 27 million in 2010 /11 when warnock took them up , signing players like taraabt .

27 Mill over a decade ago

Point being warnock has had the tools more often than not to do the job
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer and PVA

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #99
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Click to expand...
Wow. If that happens again that is a total embarrassment.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #100
Evo1883 said:
QPR had a wage bill over over 27 million in 2010 /11 when warnock took them up , signing players like taraabt .

27 Mill over a decade ago

Point being warnock has had the tools more often than not to do the job
Click to expand...

he still did the job - our wage bill in sure was huge when Sisu took over
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #101
Grendel said:
he still did the job
Click to expand...
Well ofcourse , but it was made alot easier , he had the resources .. I'd imagine we'd be close to promotion with a 12 million transfer fund and a 27 million wage bill
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #102
Evo1883 said:
Well ofcourse , but it was made alot easier , he had the resources .. I'd imagine we'd be close to promotion with a 12 million transfer fund and a 27 million wage bill
Click to expand...

Birmingham have a huge wage bill. When McGinnity was in his death throes I’m sure our wage bill in 2006 was around that
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #103
Grendel said:
Birmingham have a huge wage bill. When McGinnity was in his death throes I’m sure our wage bill in 2006 was around that
Click to expand...


We are a club on the up not down, give Robins an extra 10 million transfer fund with an extra 10 plus mill wage fund , let's see what happens .. stop talking silly talk ..
 
Reactions: PVA

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #104
Evo1883 said:
We are a club on the up not down, give Robins an extra 10 million transfer fund with an extra 10 plus mill wage fund , let's see what happens .. stop talking silly talk ..
Click to expand...

Well we may soon find out but it’s silly also to say he had a big budget then. Klopp has a huge budget so is that why Liverpool are where they are? So if Andy thorn took over with the huge budget they’d win the league?

if Russell slade managed QPR and not warnock is the result the same?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2022
  • #105
Grendel said:
Well we may soon find out but it’s silly also to say he had a big budget then. Klopp has a huge budget so is that why Liverpool are where they are? So if Andy thorn took over with the huge budget they’d win the league?

if Russell slade managed QPR and not warnock is the result the same?
Click to expand...

Warnock failed with multiple teams with big transfers paid and big wage bills ..

Hes not as remarkable as you suggest

Could warnock do what Robins has here ?
 
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
Next
First Prev 3 of 6 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 4 (members: 0, guests: 4)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Coventry City Football Club
  • Coventry City General Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?