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ceetee · Jan 14, 2018

I like Biamou and think a lot of the criticism he gets is misjudged, but he hasn't scored and I accept the point that he may have lost confidence and deserve a rest.
The problem is that the style of play will have to change without his contribution. The midfield will have to play further forward and play through-balls to feet. Strangely two of the best examples of that which I have seen this season were the two that Biamou himself played at Luton that led to the two second half goals

Nick · Jan 14, 2018

ceetee said:
I like Biamou and think a lot of the criticism he gets is misjudged, but he hasn't scored and I accept the point that he may have lost confidence and deserve a rest.
The problem is that the style of play will have to change without his contribution. The midfield will have to play further forward and play through-balls to feet. Strangely two of the best examples of that which I have seen this season were the two that Biamou himself played at Luton that led to the two second half goals

That's the thing, we don't adjust when he doesn't play. Yesterday we kept hoofing it to ponticelli, he isn't that player. He needs to be put clean through to finish.

stevefloyd · Jan 14, 2018

Nick said:
That's the thing, we don't adjust when he doesn't play. Yesterday we kept hoofing it to ponticelli, he isn't that player. He needs to be put clean through to finish.

Even with players like Crouch if its 2 feet above his head he aint gonna do much with it

Otis · Jan 14, 2018

stevefloyd said:
Even with players like Crouch if its 2 feet above his head he aint gonna do much with it

If it's 2 feet above Crouch's head I think you'll find you're watching rugby union.

Esoterica · Jan 14, 2018

Nick said:
That's the thing, we don't adjust when he doesn't play. Yesterday we kept hoofing it to ponticelli, he isn't that player. He needs to be put clean through to finish.

Exactly the same as we did for the first half when Beavon was on against Carlisle. I don't think we have the players at a L2 level to play 4-4-2 with two short finishers like McNulty and Ponti, in combination with an out an out defensive midfielder. Conversely we haven't had enough quality from wide areas to play with a target man who we expect to score goals - our crossing has generally been terrible. Biamou is literally just there as an outlet for Doyle and the defense to clear towards. It's been part of the problem all season - we don't seem to have a clue what our plan for scoring is, unless we're on the counter attack.

stevefloyd · Jan 14, 2018

Otis said:
If it's 2 feet above Crouch's head I think you'll find you're watching rugby union.

Or watching McNulty taking a shot at goal

steve82 · Jan 14, 2018

AFCCOVENTRY said:
I think robins doesn't have much choice as he needs someone big upfront to hussle. Biamou does that and works hard but the fact he can't even chip in with he odd goal means there is huge pressure on mcNulty for goals.

Robins has some critical decisions to make in this window and if he gets it wrong it will be another season in L2 and the budget will reduce next season.

Complete side question but what makes you think the budget would be less next summer to last summer?

Revenue streams should still be the same?

It's only the checkatrade prize money the difference yet we will have no Turnbull or Reid on the books next summer like we had last summer so all evens out generally.

AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 14, 2018

Otis said:
I like him.

I say we stick with him for now and if he hasn't scored in the next 4 years we give him the boot.

Might be the golden boot is 4 years time

fernandopartridge · Jan 14, 2018

Wouldn't call the chance he missed yesterday a sitter, it sat right up for him so difficult to get purchase. Excellent save as well.

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AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 14, 2018

steve82 said:
Complete side question but what makes you think the budget would be less next summer to last summer?

Revenue streams should still be the same?

It's only the checkatrade prize money the difference yet we will have no Turnbull or Reid on the books next summer like we had last summer so all evens out generally.

I think there is some kind of parachute payment when you get relegated. Not like the Premiership. I might be wrong but that's what I heard.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 14, 2018

steve82 said:
Complete side question but what makes you think the budget would be less next summer to last summer?

Revenue streams should still be the same?

It's only the checkatrade prize money the difference yet we will have no Turnbull or Reid on the books next summer like we had last summer so all evens out generally.

I would also say that our fan base is pretty old as so we will have a few dropping off the far end and not many replacing

steve82 · Jan 14, 2018

AFCCOVENTRY said:
I think there is some kind of parachute payment when you get relegated. Not like the Premiership. I might be wrong but that's what I heard.

Thank you, I've learned something new...
On a quick search you are correct, there is a basic award payed to Clubs from the EFL. I think it's £472,000 for League two clubs and league one it's £677,000 and we'd receive 12.6% of that for one season.

So there would be a slight reduction, but like I said counter that with Turnbull and Reid being off the wage next summer as opposed to last it may not be much different

Terry Gibson's perm said:
I would also say that our fan base is pretty old as so we will have a few dropping off the far end and not many replacing

Over a period of 5/10 years I'd agree but season to season ageing fans falling away wouldn't be a huge amount I think.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 14, 2018

steve82 said:
Thank you, I've learned something new...
On a quick search you are correct, there is a basic award payed to Clubs from the EFL. I think it's £472,000 for League two clubs and league one it's £677,000 and we'd receive 12.6% of that for one season.

So there would be a slight reduction, but like I said counter that with Turnbull and Reid being off the wage next summer as opposed to last it may not be much different

Over a period of 5/10 years I'd agree but season to season ageing fans falling away wouldn't be a huge amount I think.

I don’t know a lot of flu about

steve82 · Jan 14, 2018

Terry Gibson's perm said:
I don’t know a lot of flu about

They've all had there jabs!

JulianDarbyFTW · Jan 14, 2018

steve82 said:
Thank you, I've learned something new...
On a quick search you are correct, there is a basic award payed to Clubs from the EFL. I think it's £472,000 for League two clubs and league one it's £677,000 and we'd receive 12.6% of that for one season.

So there would be a slight reduction, but like I said counter that with Turnbull and Reid being off the wage next summer as opposed to last .

Over the summer it stood out that a number of signings were on 2 year deals. Suggests to me this was a 2 year or bust kind of plan to go up - ideally 1 though, of course.

Edit because my kid was distracting me: my point being that surely we wouldn't make the mistake of over-stretching the budget again. Or would we..?

Otis · Jan 14, 2018

steve82 said:
Complete side question but what makes you think the budget would be less next summer to last summer?

Revenue streams should still be the same?

It's only the checkatrade prize money the difference yet we will have no Turnbull or Reid on the books next summer like we had last summer so all evens out generally.

But if we don't go up this season I can see attendances dropping next season.

ccfcway · Jan 14, 2018

Otis said:
But if we don't go up this season I can see attendances dropping next season.

and we will be likely looking for a new manager

Liquid Gold · Jan 14, 2018

I like Biamou but he was poor yesterday. I was astounded he didn’t put that chance away. The problem is he’s essential to the way we play. When he went off we lost control of the ball and Exeter dominated our strikers. People say play Ponticelli but McNulty needs a target man to play off and, as our biggest goal threat, we need him over Ponti. We should be on the lookout for a player just like Max that can just score.

Adge · Jan 14, 2018

Otis said:
But if we don't go up this season I can see attendances dropping next season.

Yeah. They will probably still budget for 10,000 though every week.:emoji_rolling_eyes:

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 14, 2018

oucho said:
Not sure why MR is persisting with him...is Beavon injured?

I wouldn’t criticise Beavon too much as I don’t think we play to his strengths, however his contribution to games is much less than Biamou’s. He played well yesterday and gave their defence a torrid time. I felt we were much less effective when he went off. I think you have to focus on his contribution to the overall functionality of the team as well as his goal scoring (or lack of it). I feel that we look more effective and more likely to score when he is on the pitch. Yes he does need to start scoring but if the team are better with him playing putting the ball in the net isn’t the only thing to consider.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 14, 2018

Irish Sky Blue said:
I wouldn’t criticise Beavon too much as I don’t think we play to his strengths, however his contribution to games is much less than Biamou’s. He played well yesterday and gave their defence a torrid time. I felt we were much less effective when he went off. I think you have to focus on his contribution to the overall functionality of the team as well as his goal scoring (or lack of it). I feel that we look more effective and more likely to score when he is on the pitch. Yes he does need to start scoring but if the team are better with him playing putting the ball in the net isn’t the only thing to consider.

We can’t play to Beavons strengths as he doesn’t have any.

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 14, 2018

Terry Gibson's perm said:
We can’t play to Beavons strengths as he doesn’t have any.

I think he is quite a clever player when you play it to his feet and give him options.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 14, 2018

Irish Sky Blue said:
I think he is quite a clever player when you play it to his feet and give him options.

The little pace he had has gone and he doesn’t score he would be another one we are carrying, I can’t beli I am going to say it but I would pick Biamou before him.

wingy · Jan 14, 2018

steve82 said:
They've all had there jabs!

Only 45% effective.

Otis · Jan 15, 2018

Irish Sky Blue said:
I think he is quite a clever player when you play it to his feet and give him options.

He is.

You have to have the right system to accommodate him though and I don't think we have that. Not sure where we could slot him in. We need goals and he is not a goal getter.

eastwoodsdustman · Jan 15, 2018

Did anyone else who went on Saturday think that Robins took the wrong player off on Saturday when Biamou was removed? Personally I'd have taken Maguire-Drew off. We lost all of our attacking ability when he went off. We were actually creating a fair bit up until that point mainly from headers by Biamou. Nobody's mentioned that Exeter took Seabourne off at half time as he'd won nothing against Biamou in the first half. He should have finished one in the first half but we were much poorer when he went off.

Skybluefaz · Jan 15, 2018

I can see Biamou possibly having more of a future at centre half. His strengths seem to suit it better.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 16, 2018

Otis said:
He is.

You have to have the right system to accommodate him though and I don't think we have that. Not sure where we could slot him in. We need goals and he is not a goal getter.

Otis I have just seen a miracle on YouTube a Stuart Beavon goal at the Ricoh unfortunately it was for Preston in the hot comeback game

AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 16, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
I can see Biamou possibly having more of a future at centre half. His strengths seem to suit it better.

A poor mans Dion Dublin?

Skybluefaz · Jan 17, 2018

AFCCOVENTRY said:
A poor mans Dion Dublin?

Absolutely.

oucho · Jan 17, 2018

AFCCOVENTRY said:
A poor mans Dion Dublin?

Very, very poor man

Adge · Jan 17, 2018

oucho said:
Very, very poor man

A rough sleeper!

oucho · Jan 20, 2018

There you go, told you it had to happen eventually! No reason to moan now!

BackRoomRummermill · Jan 20, 2018

One swan does not make a summer, I will turn it round for you ..... if he poked in a few goals we would be in the top 3 cemented this has been the difference. But today credit he scored today a wonder goal but he needs to chip in.

Hobo · Jan 20, 2018

Glad he is off the mark. Will need a few more to win people over.

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