Fergusons_Beard
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Well if he breaks some decent news it certainly will be better and brighter.....
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“Brighter”
I imagine we will hear one way or the other today on this with the squad and staff back in. In the lads defence its his first real transfer and would be a move away from London.
Saw an article from Feb that suggested he still had hopes to play for arsenal. Not surprising he hasn't jumped at cov or Luton just yet
I forgot to add.... I’d certainly have him if I was Arteta though over David Luiz!
Not believe Twitter?! Strange that it seems delayed though. Felt like it was a ‘done deal’ about a week ago.Would take the wage demand story with a pinch of salt. But if true, drop it, leave him be.
Excellent pointRemember when everyone was saying O'Hare wouldn't join as it was dragging on, and if he really wanted to be here he'd have signed already?
The reality is that transfers are life changing decisions and the details take time to sort out.
David Luiz c.v is stacked. Wins trophies everywhere he goes
So you think all those players are poor?That's because of the teams that keep signing him because he's not too bad with the ball for a defender. But he's a poor defender. Same as John Stones.
I maintain that if you put those two together in defence for an average team they'd turn into relegation fodder. Would be the same with Pickford or De Gea behind them. Defensive liabilities.
This is what people forget. Real life isn't the same as your Football Manager game where you make the contract offer and they say yes straight away. Things are constantly evolving, other clubs come in and drop out of talks, agents ask for an extra year here, or another bonus there. It takes time.Remember when everyone was saying O'Hare wouldn't join as it was dragging on, and if he really wanted to be here he'd have signed already?
The reality is that transfers are life changing decisions and the details take time to sort out.
So you think all those players are poor?
That's because of the teams that keep signing him because he's not too bad with the ball for a defender. But he's a poor defender. Same as John Stones.
I maintain that if you put those two together in defence for an average team they'd turn into relegation fodder. Would be the same with Pickford or De Gea behind them. Defensive liabilities.
Unfortunately even on Football Manager I can't get players to say yes straight away either.This is what people forget. Real life isn't the same as your Football Manager game where you make the contract offer and they say yes straight away. Things are constantly evolving, other clubs come in and drop out of talks, agents ask for an extra year here, or another bonus there. It takes time.
But that's what people buy him for
Hes a defender that can pass and attack also. Yes he can make big mistakes st times due to this but he is clearly a player where the pros outweighs the cons so i am not sure why some fans only focus on defensive mistakes
And don't say because a defender should defend first and foremost because thays clearly not true based on the clubs that buy Luiz. The game of football can utilise different attributes all over the pitch now and he plays his part for this clubs
Got to disagree. Average players don’t get bought and sold for £50m+.I certainly don't think they're 'top' players. Average at best, capable of the occassional bit of brilliance but far more capable of a monumental balls-up.
I mean, the problem there might be that you’re looking for him when he hasn’t actually been on the pitch much!That's kind of the point. These players don't get their frailties exposed because of the teams that pick them up. Their defensive inability isn't shown up because they play for teams that don't need to defend as much. If you'd put Stones and Luiz into a team that doesn't control games and actually made them do defensive work that team would be conceding ridiculous amounts because they'd make so many mistakes.
So you can argue they can play the ball, but if they were that decent at it they'd be midfielders wouldn't they? So what we're saying is not good enough to be a midfielder, not good enough as a defender either. They're utterly reliant on very good teammates around them not letting them having their weaknesses exposed.
I feel similarly about Ozil. Doesn't get involved at all, a complete shirker unless the team is playing well and dominating a game in which case he brings his A game out. But if the team is doing well already they don't need him in there doing that because they're already comfortably on top and will likely win the game without him. What they need is somebody who can take a game they're not doing well in and bring them back into it. He doesn't. He shys away and you may as well play with 10 men most of the time in those situations. So what exactly does he provide? He's utterly inconsequential and has almost no effect on the outcome of a game.
I mean, the problem there might be that you’re looking for him when he hasn’t actually been on the pitch much!
No idea what Tekkers is but Ozil can be beautiful at times. Not that I necessarily give much credence to this, but doesn’t he hold the prem assist record? Suggests he’s contributed something to a pretty poor arsenal side? I also seem to remember that his work rate is immense...just not maybe tackling and flying around into everyone. Which a lot of fans seem to value more.And the reason he's not been on the pitch is because managers know they can't rely on him. They know he's only going to turn up if the team's playing well, which if they're doing he's not that vital and if they're not they're playing with a passenger not willing to take on the responsibility. So just leave him out. I'm not saying ozil doesn't have some very impressive skills, but what's the point if he's got the heart of a mouse? Those people that do tekkers have some very impressive skills - sure as hell doesn't mean you'd give them a contract to play an actual game.
Well, I thought he’d had an injury more recently, though I might be wrong. Anyway, agree to disagree about being average players. Don’t think I’m going to persuade you otherwise, and you certainly won’t persuade me!And the reason he's not been on the pitch is because managers know they can't rely on him. They know he's only going to turn up if the team's playing well, which if they're doing he's not that vital and if they're not they're playing with a passenger not willing to take on the responsibility. So just leave him out. I'm not saying ozil doesn't have some very impressive skills, but what's the point if he's got the heart of a mouse? Those people that do tekkers have some very impressive skills - sure as hell doesn't mean you'd give them a contract to play an actual game.
No idea what Tekkers is but Ozil can be beautiful at times. Not that I necessarily give much credence to this, but doesn’t he hold the prem assist record? Suggests he’s contributed something to a pretty poor arsenal side? I also seem to remember that his work rate is immense...just not maybe tackling and flying around into everyone. Which a lot of fans seem to value more.
People like Nixon announcing it don’t help just alerts more clubs which is prob why Luton have now come in
I doubt Luton conduct their transfer business by F5ing Alan Nixon’s Twitter page
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