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pusbccfc

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It says the ground holds 30,700 without the scoreboard. It will never hold over 32,000 because there will always be some segregation - of at least 1,500 I would have thought.

If we get promoted to the PL, there will be the absolute bar minimum segregation. There is no way we'll have 1500 seats unsold to segregation if we play in the Premier. Leicester holds 32,261 and have averaged about 500 below that in the top flight.

We lost a few rows of seats behind the goal but also gained seats in the corner when the old board was replaced.

When Wasps were in charge and when the Arnold Clark competition was played at the stadium, the capacity was given as 32,753 whereas the other figure is 32,609.
 

pusbccfc

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Home fans lifetime value is significantly above away fans.

But equally, an away fan is profitable especially at the CBS. Away fans have nowhere to drink and often spend their money in the concourse. We also charge away fans some of the highest prices in the league.
 

shmmeee

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But equally, an away fan is profitable especially at the CBS. Away fans have nowhere to drink and often spend their money in the concourse. We also charge away fans some of the highest prices in the league.

You’re thinking too short term. An away fan is never going to come back or spend money on merchandise.
 

pusbccfc

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You’re thinking too short term. An away fan is never going to come back or spend money on merchandise.

Absolutely but we are not turning fans away.

Even Saturday, there's a few thousand left.

Besides Leicester and Sheffield Wednesday, the home areas have had spare seats available. Monday against Cardiff had availability and plenty on the gate.

When we are demanding 28/29,000 home fans, we can open up the South Stand every single game.
 

shmmeee

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Absolutely but we are not turning fans away.

Even Saturday, there's a few thousand left.

Besides Leicester and Sheffield Wednesday, the home areas have had spare seats available. Monday against Cardiff had availability and plenty on the gate.

When we are demanding 28/29,000 home fans, we can open up the South Stand every single game.

The few thousand are mostly in the corporate areas, if you chop and change each game then you can’t sell STs there and the atmosphere suffers.

You want extra capacity to grow, you don’t want only singles and seats at the very back/front available every game as it has been for months. The aim is to have more fans, but first they have to be able to sit together with a reasonable view.

I guarantee no club owner views away fans are better financially than home, a single visit anonymous customer vs a returning customer with contact details are night and day in terms of projected CLTV.
 

David O'Day

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attendance for the remaining home games is being inflated by people wanting points for wembley

if we had lost against wolves what woud it have been 24k? 25k
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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attendance for the remaining home games is being inflated by people wanting points for wembley

if we had lost against wolves what woud it have been 24k? 25k
Not for Leeds. Never.
 

mmttww

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Which blocks are going to be open and which aren't don't really drive the atmosphere.

If we want a consistently good atmosphere, we might have to organise ourselves a bit.

Doesn't need 'Ultra' vibes. Get a group together, talk to the club, agree a few things e.g.

- do we want the South Stand to be an extension of the corner?
- if Y, can we plan for safe standing to be in those blocks as well?
- if Y, we'll need comms. e.g. don't sit here if you want a quiet sit-down!
- do we want to move corner Season Tickets to to blocks 10-13?
- if Y, how can the club co-ordinate that to make it all work out.
- Either way, club needs to accept a lot more people wanting to stand.

The club's listening to what the fans want. If we want to capitalise, might have to work a bit.

Must be people that would be up for doing something like Pete does with the Fans Forum?
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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In an interview he reiterated that he dislikes Brazil due to his personal situation and considers himself Dutch. We then persisted to sing ‘he’s Brazilian’ against his wish.


You can change your Nationality but you can't change your place of Birth.
 

hamertime

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The atmosphere at our ground is one of the best in the championship, at times breathtaking. The bigger the crowds get the more people you have coming who are not as fanatical but still fans. The longer we are at the top of the chamionship the more it will grow. Singers corner next season will congregate to behind the goal im sure and it will be a whole new dynamic on the atmosphere. Fair play the the club for sorting it out.
 

David O'Day

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The atmosphere at our ground is one of the best in the championship, at times breathtaking. The bigger the crowds get the more people you have coming who are not as fanatical but still fans. The longer we are at the top of the chamionship the more it will grow. Singers corner next season will congregate to behind the goal im sure and it will be a whole new dynamic on the atmosphere. Fair play the the club for sorting it out.
You are making your wums far too easy to spot

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clint van damme

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Atmosphere has been shocking ever since the we’ll live and die nonsense started. Sack that off and create something real and not manufactured.

Our catalogue of songs has never been great but it just seems to get worse and that isn’t helping either.

I didn’t think we could get worse than calling a Dutch player Brazilian and singing about playing in sky blue and white but then I heard the Bidwell song. Sigh

Using the same song for both strikers is a new low.
 

theferret

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Absolutely but we are not turning fans away.

Even Saturday, there's a few thousand left.

Besides Leicester and Sheffield Wednesday, the home areas have had spare seats available. Monday against Cardiff had availability and plenty on the gate.

When we are demanding 28/29,000 home fans, we can open up the South Stand every single game.

Also Swansea, general admission sold out for that game.

There actually isn't many left for saturday, pretty much what you see on the map now, about 800. Plus they may open up premium seats by dugout but that isn't many. Block 25-27 is all sold out, there have been no seats retained for potg and sales for this game have been high for months and those seats sold a while ago. This completely sells out by eob Friday.
 

theferret

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People are overthinking this. Atmosphere has gone flat for some games simply because expectancy has been raised. We're waiting for something to happen because we're expecting it.

That won't be there on Saturday, so it will be bouncing.

I would prefer the away fans closer, but that only really happened earlier this season. Last season and season before a smallish following would be on the far side from sc in any case, so it's no different.

Also, pretty much all the people who were in the ground last season and before are in the ground now in the same seats. It's simply expectancy and familiarity, there will be flat games and games where it is rocking.

People agonising because there are 5 minute spells where it is quiet, yet some grounds it is like that for 90 minutes.
 

pusbccfc

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Also Swansea, general admission sold out for that game.

There actually isn't many left for saturday, pretty much what you see on the map now, about 800. Plus they may open up premium seats by dugout but that isn't many. Block 25-27 is all sold out, there have been no seats retained for potg and sales for this game have been high for months and those seats sold a while ago. This completely sells out by eob Friday.

Ideally those seats by the dugout are open permanently but at a reasonable price. The moment they go to £45 it's a bit silly.

It seemes like they put the potg seats on sale for Monday but then left them for the day.

Either way, 30,000 at £37 is another good pay day for the club.
 

theferret

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Ideally those seats by the dugout are open permanently but at a reasonable price. The moment they go to £45 it's a bit silly.

It seemes like they put the potg seats on sale for Monday but then left them for the day.

Either way, 30,000 at £37 is another good pay day for the club.

I guess it's more like 10K after ST holders at say £27 average allowing for concessions. I also imagine a lot of JSB vouchers will be used for this game so a lot of freebies, so average will be even less than that I'd imagine.
 

SBbucks

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Ideally those seats by the dugout are open permanently but at a reasonable price. The moment they go to £45 it's a bit silly.

It seemes like they put the potg seats on sale for Monday but then left them for the day.

Either way, 30,000 at £37 is another good pay day for the club.

Well 19500 season tickets are going to work out at £12-£20 each (even that is way too high because of the junior season tickets). But yes, apart from that your 30,000 at £37 is fine..
 

messiahrobins

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People are overthinking this. Atmosphere has gone flat for some games simply because expectancy has been raised. We're waiting for something to happen because we're expecting it.

That won't be there on Saturday, so it will be bouncing.

I would prefer the away fans closer, but that only really happened earlier this season. Last season and season before a smallish following would be on the far side from sc in any case, so it's no different.

Also, pretty much all the people who were in the ground last season and before are in the ground now in the same seats. It's simply expectancy and familiarity, there will be flat games and games where it is rocking.

People agonising because there are 5 minute spells where it is quiet, yet some grounds it is like that for 90 minutes.
Leeds will out sing us, they are a very vocal belligerent fanbase always have been.
The problem at the CBS is we dont have an 'end' that is intimidating like the Holte End or Kop (on european nights now) for example. Singers corner is great but it is so small in number, and in a corner. Also the stands are far too far away from the pitch. The CBS would have been epic had the stands been on top of the pitch so the linesmen could hear people politely correcting their erroneous decisions and the opposition players could really feel a good old jolly polite ticking off if they did something untoward.
 

SBbucks

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Leeds will out sing us, they are a very vocal belligerent fanbase always have been.
The problem at the CBS is we dont have an 'end' that is intimidating like the Holte End or Kop (on european nights now) for example. Singers corner is great but it is so small in number, and in a corner. Also the stands are far too far away from the pitch. The CBS would have been epic had the stands been on top of the pitch so the linesmen could hear people politely correcting their erroneous decisions and the opposition players could really feel a good old jolly polite ticking off if they did something untoward.

“ChatGPT - please write me some bollocks about the CBS Arena”
 

theferret

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Well lets see Saturday. Nothing would please me more if it is a hostile intimidating nasty atmosphere that helps us get three points. Sadly i fear it will be just like Cardiff.

It will be nothing like Cardiff, just as it wasn't for Leicester and Blues this season.

Has any club outsung us in the last 3 seasons, even when it has been flat? I guess Cardiff was about the first time you could argue, but couldn't really hear them.

SC extends to 17-18, so it's 4000-5000 people, bigger than most loud areas at grounds in this league. Even those with a big end behind the goal, Hillsborough, Bramall Lane when I've been in the championship, are dead.

CBS is ok, yes stands are too far from the pitch, but the difference between it and KP, St Mary's etc is the steepness of the stands and the slightly raised roof.

Whenever I see a big twitter account ask what is the loudest set of home fans in the championship I routinely see us mentioned the most, by far. People aren't saying that to blow smoke. Yes it has dupped, but it won't be like that Saturday.
 

SBbucks

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It will be nothing like Cardiff, just as it wasn't for Leicester and Blues this season.

Has any club outsung us in the last 3 seasons, even when it has been flat? I guess Cardiff was about the first time you could argue, but couldn't really hear them.

SC extends to 17-18, so it's 4000-5000 people, bigger than most loud areas at grounds in this league. Even those with a big end behind the goal, Hillsborough, Bramall Lane when I've been in the championship, are dead.

CBS is ok, yes stands are too far from the pitch, but the difference between it and KP, St Mary's etc is the steepness of the stands and the slightly raised roof.

Whenever I see a big twitter account ask what is the loudest set of home fans in the championship I routinely see us mentioned the most, by far. People aren't saying that to blow smoke. Yes it has dupped, but it won't be like that Saturday.

You’ve got more patience than me, I couldn’t be arsed to waste time responding to his nonsense.
 

MalcSB

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Absolutely but we are not turning fans away.

Even Saturday, there's a few thousand left.

Besides Leicester and Sheffield Wednesday, the home areas have had spare seats available. Monday against Cardiff had availability and plenty on the gate.

When we are demanding 28/29,000 home fans, we can open up the South Stand every single game.
The south stand will be open every game. The attendance was 28,500 on Monday - thats really not far off full.
But equally, an away fan is profitable especially at the CBS. Away fans have nowhere to drink and often spend their money in the concourse. We also charge away fans some of the highest prices in the league.
Profitable to whom. The arena probably, the football club marginally.
 

shmmeee

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Is this the same fan base that demands kids for a quid because we need to grow lifelong fans, but would then tell those kids to fuck off if an away fan is going to pay £37?

This logic leads to charging home fans as much as possible because all that matters is todays gate receipts and not building loyal customers who are worth tens of thousands over their lifetime.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Leeds will out sing us, they are a very vocal belligerent fanbase always have been.
The problem at the CBS is we dont have an 'end' that is intimidating like the Holte End or Kop (on european nights now) for example. Singers corner is great but it is so small in number, and in a corner. Also the stands are far too far away from the pitch. The CBS would have been epic had the stands been on top of the pitch so the linesmen could hear people politely correcting their erroneous decisions and the opposition players could really feel a good old jolly polite ticking off if they did something untoward.
Singers corner won't exist for much longer because we'll outgrown it . It's the result of years of smaller gates in a big stadium . We're now at the stage of transition where our stadium is being rejigged to accommodate more home support and it's well overdue .

How many well supported clubs with over 25000 average have a " corner ". ?

If we ever get into the premier league we will fill the north and south ends as much as will be allowed .
At that point you have to ask which " end" will be our noisy end ? The one shared with the away fans or the one where we can have 6000 of our own fans.
 

pusbccfc

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Is this the same fan base that demands kids for a quid because we need to grow lifelong fans, but would then tell those kids to fuck off if an away fan is going to pay £37?

This logic leads to charging home fans as much as possible because all that matters is todays gate receipts and not building loyal customers who are worth tens of thousands over their lifetime.

Nobody is demanding away fans get seats over home fans.
 

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