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Exactly what term should I use to classify people wishing for AT to remain in the job? I think 'supporter' is a lot less patronising than terms like 'lovers' and 'fanboys' (which have been aimed at me on more than one occasion...)

Let's assume he has to work within the same kind of budget (Turners sold, McDonalds/Gardners brought in). How about then?

When would you sack him? When would enough be enough?

Yes. Most managers would achieve better results with greater resources. But this is the fundamental context and question... CCFC are bottom of the table. They are seven points deep in the relegation zone with a -14 goal difference. It is not even halfway into the season. So why is it not...

It is tempting to think that there's a Putin-esque figure heading SISU, sitting on the top floor of a dark tower, implementing police state tactics. But SISU are hated. They know they're hated. Taking away a few signs doesn't eradicate that. I really can't see why they'd go out of their way...

If that scenario plays out, then I hope we do! Fans should always hold managers accountable. No he hasn't. Not a bit. As ajsccfc said, no manager in recent memory has been given such a long leash by the fans. And even if he were to be sacked he would always have that little asterisk by his...

Spot on. The general attitude we're seeing is blow-your-brains-out absurdity. The rage against SISU has reached such feverish levels that a deep, malevolent conspiracy is read into the most innocuous of words/actions they commit; and correspondingly the sympathy and good graces for Andy Thorn...

...sack Andy Thorn, and see if somebody else can achieve better results.

Personally, I find the opposite to be true - namely that many fans now write off Black as being overrated without carefully scrutinising what he achieved in comparison to other managers (the big picture, so to speak). McGinnity didn't sack Black because CCFC got knocked out of a cup; he...

Neil Lennon was on the brink of signing before O'Neill poached him at the last minute. Think Richard Rufus and Lee Bowyer were close in a double deal. Also seem to remember Eric Black being in on Kevin Doyle, but there was no cash. Plus some Scandinavian goalscorer called Rune Lange, who...

The reason being that Black was highly successful (if you're interested you can see the stats here) AT has not been successful at all. The most prominent 'reasons' for keeping him on have been 'because nobody else could do better' and 'who would want the job'. There is really no comparison.

What exactly is your idea of a 'fanboy'?

Judging by many of the comments around here, I don't think there has ever been a manager in CCFC's history who has had fewer expectations.

Leave the forum then.

It's not that bad, IMO. I mean, that's £400k a year, or £1.2m over three years. It would be hard to replace a player of Clingan's quality for 1.2m including transfer fees, agent fees, and wages. Not just that, but you're securing an asset who could be sold for cash, recouping most/more than what...

Are you listening to the bloke calling in now? "Paid £100 to take in today's game to follow the club I love, and the team didn't turn up. They didn't work hard. Clingan was a disgrace." Is that a SISU issue or a managerial issue?

True to an extent. Westwood, Gunnarsson, and King weren't "ripped out" of the side - they chose to walk. Everybody is on the same page with that. Mostly players who they bought. And they didn't fail to put anything back in ('fact') It may well have. The club have at least avoided...

Defendable? No. I want SISU gone as much as the next fan. But unlike some, I'd like to see the badge go down with more fight than is currently being displayed...and changing a manager is one way to try to achieve that. You try releasing the lifeboats before you play the violin...

Self-pity isn't pretty. Nobody is saying you should be grateful. Nobody is saying AT is a villain. Nobody is saying SISU are good owners.

No, you spent months talking about asset-stripping, and were left with egg on your face after the Juke and Clingan remained with the club and McDonald and Gardner were brought in. To say that isn't being a SISU man - it's being a casual observer. Again, nobody expects AT to get this squad into...