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Agree to a point, Nonleague. But there seems a reluctance by some to attribute any blame upon the manager whatsoever. And that is just plain daft. Thorn has made some bad mistakes. Every time these are pointed out though all that comes back is that it's Sisu's fault.

So it was Sisu's fault that Thorn didn't check Blackpool's tactics before we played them? Okay then. :facepalm:

Not mis-reading it. I am saying why is he saying this now! The window is closed, nothing can happen til January. Why didn't he come out with this before the window closed! What point does it serve asking the board to back him when they now can't.

January is too late. By the looks of it we are going to be at least 16 points adrift by then.

And why are people on CWR saying that now Thorn sounds like he has had enough and he needs players. Does he not know the transfer window is now closed? Why make a stand now? Nothing can now happen til January! Absolute tosh.

The other thing that is now peeing me off is that he is saying that we are making too many individual mistakes at the back that is costing us goals. He is missing the point. He needs to look at the other end of the pitch. We need to score at an average of more than one goal a game to have any...

What players? Where is the money coming from? :facepalm:

Totally agree. Put the same effort in that we put up against West Ham and I will back Andy Thorn 100%. Fact is we are not. 1 game in 20. Too many games where we are not turning up.

"Roll on January when I can hopefully bring some players in." :facepalm::facepalm: Have you learned nowt?

I know you were being sarcastic.

Course it matters when we are relegated. :facepalm:We go down by Christmas we are probably going to go down as the worst team in the entire history of the Championship/old first diviosin.

We can go down with 45 points or we can go down with 20 points. Does it make a difference? Yes, of course it does. You can't just say we're going down anyway so Thorn isn't to blame for any part of it. If we go down but go down with a fight then that gives us hope for next season. We finish with...

That is a possibility. Wouldn't surprise me.

But this points to a lack of motivation from the manager or a lack of belief in the manager or players not caring. If it's the latter then that flies in the face of all the players loving Thorn and being totally behind him.

Gaz, again you are not listening. :facepalm: I predicted relegation. I did not predict us to be down before Christmas!!

Guy on CWR now. "No spark in the team whatsoever." "Only about 4 players playing for the shirt." Tells you everything you need to know. Playing for the shirt and playing with spirit and putting the effort in has nothing to do with the quality of the players.

Gaz, that is tosh and you know it is. Nothing to do with the FACT Sisu have ripped the spine out of the team. YES IT IS. Nothing to do with the total lack of investment in the team. YES IT IS Sell off the best players and invest nothing back in = a club going down. - AGREE. That doesn't mean...

I predicted relegation too. No way on this earth did I think we would be so far adrift so early in the season though. There is something seriously wrong besides all the lack of investment and quality of player issues. We are doing much worse than any of us predicted at this stage of the season.

Anyone else half expecting Harrison to come out and do the post-match interview rather than Thorn? I wouldn't be surprised. Thorn seems at his wits end and is wilting.

I ask yet again though, were you predicting a 2nd from bottom and 7 points adrift position by the end of November? No! Fact is, none of us did. Most of us said we would be relegated with this team. The fact is though that this manager is going to have us down well before Christmas at this rate...