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I just want to see a bit of passion and fight and effort. Is that too much to ask for?

You're missing the point. I am saying that if Thorn is a poor manager it's not going to make a lot of difference how much money he's got, unless it is £20 million or something.

Even if he is a poor manager? You so sure about that?

It will probably be "We were really unlucky because as the forward lined up to score that 2nd goal a mole didn't come up through the earth which could have caused a deflection and prevented the score. We are just not getting the rub of the green at the moment, or indeed of the mole."

But you would expect him to make a cathedral at least into the shape of a cathedral.

Totally agree. They do score a fair few goals though. think if you have goals in your machinery then you always have that belief that you can get back into things.

Bottom by the start of December you mean.

Donny 1 v 0 Southampton Dowie just saying on SSN that Southampton have only had 1 away win in 7 games. Anyone know who that was against? :facepalm:

Ohh dear. Donny just gone 1-0 up against Southampton. :facepalm:

If Thorn goes it would be Carsley.

The fact is no-one knows. Why not promote Carsley to help Thorn though anyway?

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So you were expecting 2nd from bottom and 7 points adrift by the end of November then?

Unfortunately I am inclined to agree, CCFC2011. We may be going down anyway, but I would at least like to see us go down with a bit of a fight. Sounds like yet again we were lethargic this first 45 mins today with no shot on goal.

Agree with you in terms of the Clingan thing for sure. If Brighton identified it then you would think his own manager would to wouldn't you.

People have been saying Sisu out all season long and continue to do so. As the performances have got worse people quite rightly have begun to question the manager. The Sisu out calls still persist. Don't see your point. For Sisu it has always been a case of 'want out,' with Thorn people gave...

But besides this I would point out these facts; 1. Haven't seen a a single poster on here say Thorn hasn't made any mistakes. 2. The players are also making lots of mistakes and many of those are beyond AT's control. But how come anytime anyone makes any criticism of Thorn whatsoever the only...

Says who? :thinking about: What a weird reply. Players are making mistakes. The manager is making mistakes.

Get wearied by all this now. There are however absolutely signs that Thorn is a good manager. We expected a relegation battle, we are however even worse off than that with a 2nd from bottom position and our being 7 points adrift. Don't recall anyone on here saying they were expecting us to be...

Come back from two nil down!! That's got to be the funniest thing I've heard in an age. :D:D:D:D:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands: Just how sarcastic can you get. :D I do think we might just sneak it though. We desperately need the 3 points, but even a draw I would be well happy with.